Orwell1984
@fdn.com | Their fiber
Much as I dislike big business, it is after all their fiber. Shouldn't they be allowed to put it where it will make money. |
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wraith h
join:2003-06-27
Alvarado, TX
clubs: | making money is fine... i have had fiber ran 200 yards from my house for over 1 year.. and it hasn't been activated... im still running a 26k dial up connection. what's up with that? |
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dick white
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join:2000-03-24
Annandale, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Yes, it is their fiber. But it is being hung/laid in public rights-of-way. If they are going to get the benefit of free use of the public right-of-way, then the public has some right to expect equitable access to the service. If we are going to argue that they are permitted to put their fiber only in places where they think they can make money, then they should get their stuff the hell out of the public right-of-way; and if that means paying rent to each and every private landowner for an easement to get their private cable down the street, so be it.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | That's just silly talk! |
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fiberguy
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said by dick white  :But it is being hung/laid in public rights-of-way. If they are going to get the benefit of free use of the public right-of-way, then the public has some right to expect equitable access to the service. Please tell me where this use is "free".... The public only has the right to what ever the agreed permits / franchise agreements state.
I believe that private industry has to lay their cables where it will return their investment so they can continue to operate and invest into laying more miles of fiber.
This sounds to me more like a "I want it first" argument.
For the record, they DO pay rent to each private land owner, it's called the one that owns the utility poles and or the city who holds the property. (Aka, power companies, and in some phone and cable owned poles)
This argument, too, also forgets that those who lay cable in the ground pay property taxes each year on that little strip of land too...
So yea, I guess you are right, they have the use of the public right away for free. |
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griminal
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join:2001-06-25
Bangor, MI | reply to wraith h
Same here. Fiber running right under my driveway.
I've got a shovel and I'm not afraid to use it! Give me broadband Verizon or the cable gets it!!! |
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
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quote:
For the record, they DO pay rent to each private land owner, it's called the one that owns the utility poles and or the city who holds the property. (Aka, power companies, and in some phone and cable owned poles)
This argument, too, also forgets that those who lay cable in the ground pay property taxes each year on that little strip of land too...
Where exactly is that the case? |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20 | Do I need to go through town by town for you? Look it up. |
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garagerock
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Louisville, KY
| I have. the LEC here does NOT pay property taxes on the "strip of land" but rather has right of way agreements that are tax exempt. Contrast that to your blanket statement that they all pay taxes everywhere, and it looks more like you didn't bother to look anything up. Basically, I'm asking you for some backup here on what makes you say that. |
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fiberguy
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1 edit | Sorry I didn't look up your city. 
However, since BBR is full of blanket statements, we can sit here and play the "yea, but not all" game. |
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garagerock
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Louisville, KY
| said by fiberguy :Sorry I didn't look up your city. However, since BBR is full of blanket statements, we can sit here and play the "yea, but not all" game. Um, you made the blanket statement that they all pay property taxes...and that's not the case, so I'm not sure what your point is (if you have one) |
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fiberguy
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| Ok then... there are many out there.. is that better? Can we please move on?
I will name one example : Sacramento, Ca. This was, the last time I was aware, was in 1998. I am not aware that the franchise agreement has changed since then. I admit I can be wrong on that. However, my information came from the Director of the company and thus my post was made.
People here, and in many other facits in life make blanket statements, however, 'many' people do get the point. Just like I am able to know that not everyone wants HDTV or DTV. |
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garagerock
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Louisville, KY
| said by fiberguy :Ok then... there are many out there.. is that better? Can we please move on? I will name one example : Sacramento, Ca. This was, the last time I was aware, was in 1998. I am not aware that the franchise agreement has changed since then. I admit I can be wrong on that. However, my information came from the Director of the company and thus my post was made. People here, and in many other facits in life make blanket statements, however, 'many' people do get the point. Just like I am able to know that not everyone wants HDTV or DTV. So you have ONE example and are using it as the basis for your argument? |
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dick white
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join:2000-03-24
Annandale, VA
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Ok, now that we are all down off our high horses (how's that for a blanket statement  ) tell me a bit about Sacramento. It sounds a bit different than here in VA. Here, the public utilities (above ground electric, cable, and phone; below ground water, gas, sewer and sometimes the wired ones too) are permitted to install their poles and pipes along or under the public street right of way with no payment to the public coffers for the use of the space. They even get easements across private land where needed with no recurring rent to the landowner for the use of the land. In concept, it is part and parcel of the utility's duty as a regulated public utility to provide the service to the public, all the public. In other words, the electric company gets free use of strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street and sometimes a run of poles down the back property lines (with no compensation to the owners, and you still have to mow around the pole) because the electric company must provide service to everybody, not just the buildings it thinks might be most profitable. In our town, the electric company "owns" all the poles, and the TV cableco is allotted a certain amount of pole space a certain number of feet below the electric wire, and the teleco gets some space below that. Yes, the cableco and teleco "pay" the electric co. for that, but it is more of a regulated cost sharing arrangement for pole maintenance, not a free-market lease. Only regulated utilities (and the cable TV franchise is a regulated utility) can use the pole. And regulated utilities are obliged to provide their services equitably to the entire public.
And then Verizon comes along and hangs their fiber on the poles or digs up the street where utilities are all underground but demands to be released from any regulatory obligations to provide services to those portions of the public it has decided is beneath them. Sorry, that doesn't work for me. If they want to be deregulated so they can operate only in the profitable neighborhoods, then they need to pay a market rate back to the owners for access to the previously free space.
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20 | reply to garagerock
Ok, aparrantly you can't move on. What do you want? A list of every single franchise in the U.S. - Please,.. get real.
What is the point you are trying to make other than start a fight here? |
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| Not trying to be an ass, just pointing out in this debate that there are many, many different agreements out there, and you characterized them all as the one example you know about. That's not fighting, that's debating.
I apologize if it seems to be anything else. |
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