bbreports8
join:2005-06-16
Suwanee, GA
| reply to rmko
Re: Have you voice heard!
To be consistent with his line of thinking you must use "municipalities" not nobody/anybody etc. the bill does not exclude citizens, businesses, investors. In being consistent with the bill, YOU CAN do exactly what you're proposing you couldn't with your variants of the bill. |
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bbreports8
join:2005-06-16
Suwanee, GA | reply to guitarzan
Re: Such a waste of time
Would someone with some actual knowledge enlighten me!
I didn't realize that Clinton and Bush function(ed) in the Legislative Branch. |
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bbreports8
join:2005-06-16
Suwanee, GA
| reply to JakCrow
It's all spin...if it were a Democrat, the liberal response would be "See how the democrats actively seek to reduce government programs! To protect private industry, to not waste tax payers money". Did anybody notice that the exclusion if only for "municipalities"? Any citizen, business person, investor etc. is welcome to start their own "company" and provide the services. Bla bla bla. |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| reply to justncredible
When you're done being predictably cliche, entertain me with your rationale at deriving "your unrealistic ideals of what business is seems to be very twisted. Your ill seek help" from my "We should stop the handouts to multi-billion dollar corporations". You've obviously shot your wad on the subject since all you're bringing to the table at this point are insults, insinuations, and exaggerations. Good job. |
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justncredible
@rr.com
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well gee, i will duck the real issues.
since when is tax breaks corporate welfare? The same tax breaks that I see going to give employees big raises, those employees spend that money generating sales taxes, so what you call corporate welfare is the working mans paycheck. Tax breaks are not government handouts of money. Your unrealistic ideals of what business is seems to be very twisted. Your ill seek help...... |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
2 edits | reply to justncredible
Gosh. I'll pretend to be surprised you're trying to weasel out on the corporate welfare issue and turn it into some froth-mouthed partisan game... |
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justncredible
@rr.com
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Still no links to your data???
I do agree "handouts" should not happen, but wait, what handouts, please show a link to a government handout. Do not try to convince me that tax breaks are handouts, they are not. The tax breaks Bush has made are effecting everyone, business has never been better. People have more money and new businesses are popping up like never before. The deficit is being paid down, 3 years ahead of the plan. Fiber is being laid, new technologies are coming fast to offer real free market competition. Ask why we do not have fiber already??? Under Clinton businesses were overtaxed and the money sent to the UN or france for UN votes. 8 years of pure destruction of this countries economy and it has taken a great leader such as Bush 5 years to even offer a glimmer of hope. You would throw away that hope for a pipe-dream of muni ran internet. Sacrifice the working mans money to support your wants, not the wants or needs of most people. So if I come off as insulting to you, fine, I see you as a sick person. Steal money from everyone to allow only a few to benefit. It is wrong to the core. Where I work most of the workers have just gotten .50 to 1.00$ raises, better believe we all want lower taxes on businesses, it is just common sense that says it is good for everyone. You commies lose we win! |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| reply to justncredible
said by justncredible:
bbrat, you provided NOTHING, no links nothing but some gibberish about street fairs, like out of the blue the people going to street fairs represent a full slice of the peoples will. You must be insane. I have been to a street fair maybe 2 times, made me feel dirty like shopping at wal mart does. With that you are looking at a small population, the real issue is trust in the government to provide a service without it becoming a tax pit as every single social program has become. I fear you are to simple to understand the point, this link DOES apply to this issue.
Moving to the insults now. And just what are your qualifications again? How many polls have you overseen?
said by justncredible:» www.cato.org/dailys/01-31-02.htmlAt the most 34% trust the government when it comes to social programs. Muni ran ISP is a social program, your data is skewed by the wording and placement of the questions. Specious generalization.
said by justncredible:
I can say that without having read it, since I know how you nuts operate.
Another uncalled for insult.
said by justncredible:
Kinda like going to a gay parade and asking if being gay is normal.
Interesting comparison. More reflective of you than others.
said by justncredible:
There is no metrics in place to verify the success of any of the in place social programs, there is no data showing any good programs. Yet everyday I see in my local paper another tax payer social scam busted for stealing taxpayers money. Sessions is doing the right thing, less government is the right thing. No more taxmoneypits are needed, just plain common sense.
You're right. We should stop the handouts to multi-billion dollar corporations. Good thinking. |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
 ·epix
| reply to click_310
Re: Have you voice heard!
said by click_310  :said by nixen :Communcations of this tenor tend to be looked at as the rantings of a crank rather than a concerned, voting citizen. Thanks for pointing that out. This proves that once in office these people turn into humorless bastards.  Shhh no need to put ideas on the table for them  |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
1 edit | reply to Ga Dawg
Re: Such a waste of time
said by Ga Dawg :said by Brianv5 :I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws! It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. Then why was Clinton and now Bush,up on their soapboxes
during national televised speaches.Speaking of creating new jobs for America,American's if it's NOT their job? Some how that just does not jive,now with what your saying. |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
 ·Cox HSI
·Speakeasy
| reply to Ga Dawg
said by Ga Dawg :said by nixen :said by Ga Dawg :said by Brianv5 :I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws! It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. It is the legislature's job to make laws that are in the best interests of the electorate. Not sure how making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate benefits the electorate. And, sorry, but the electorate is composed of the people that vote the legislators into office, not the lobbyists that line legislators' pockets. -tom When did I say that making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate was a benefit to the electorate? And on that note, when did I say that the electorate was composed of lobbyists? Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. I was commenting on some fool lamenting the fact that the legislature is making laws while there are people without jobs and food. I simply stated that it is not the legislarures job to provide those things. You said that "it is the legislatures job to make laws". You did not qualify it to say that it was their job to make good laws or laws that were good for the electorate. You simply left it at "just make laws". That implies that, in your view, by simply causing paper with rules and regulations on them to be printed, they have properly discharged their duties.
-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased) |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to nixen
Ok, I am going to stab this one..
Let me start with, I HATE LOBYISTS!!
But, a reality check... aren't lobyists tax payors too? Yes they represent businesses as well, but aren't the people that have interest in business ALSO tax payors AND electorate too?
You guys do realize that lobyists ARE part of the process don't you? Not all lobyists pay off politicians. A Lobyist is a mouth piece for a "group of people" and that group can also be an citizen group. The lobyist is just the mouth piece sent to congress to get the voice heard.
Limiting the scope on who can and can't say what to whom is actually NOT the way out founding fathers intended our government to run. If you want the common good for all people represented at all time, then may I suggest communism?
EVERYONE CAN HAVE THIER VOICE HEARD and be represented... FORM A GROUP and organize... sit back as one voice and fall into the croud of too many to be heard.
I DO have a question, do you guys really think this will pass? I am not going to give this one a second wink. I think it's nothing more than a law maker trying to get some advertising and air time for a popularity or image boost.
For the record, didn't cable tv get it start by a small group forming their own delivery system? Yup!
So, why would government try to ban the same thing in round two? Also, ban community WiFi? Give me a break.. this piece of legislation is nothing more than "if you aren't a big guy, don't try to start your own ISP because we say no. It will never make it past a judge as legal anyway.
Ask youreslf, where are these Community WiFi people supposed to get their connection to the internet from anyway? AND if they do, and offer a service, aren't they then a business, ie: competition?
This legislation is plain, flat, simple, STUPID and a waste of time. Again, a publicity booster for the idgit sponsoring it. |
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NCriss
join:2004-04-11
Seattle, WA | reply to justncredible
Don't you think the individual communities should get to decide if it's a waste of THEIR money or not?! |
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justncredible
@rr.com
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bbrat, you provided NOTHING, no links nothing but some gibberish about street fairs, like out of the blue the people going to street fairs represent a full slice of the peoples will. You must be insane. I have been to a street fair maybe 2 times, made me feel dirty like shopping at wal mart does. With that you are looking at a small population, the real issue is trust in the government to provide a service without it becoming a tax pit as every single social program has become. I fear you are to simple to understand the point, this link DOES apply to this issue.
»www.cato.org/dailys/01-31-02.html
At the most 34% trust the government when it comes to social programs. Muni ran ISP is a social program, your data is skewed by the wording and placement of the questions. I can say that without having read it, since I know how you nuts operate. Kinda like going to a gay parade and asking if being gay is normal. There is no metrics in place to verify the success of any of the in place social programs, there is no data showing any good programs. Yet everyday I see in my local paper another tax payer social scam busted for stealing taxpayers money. Sessions is doing the right thing, less government is the right thing. No more taxmoneypits are needed, just plain common sense. |
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bbandbrat
Big Broadband Everywhere - Firstmile.Us
Premium
join:2005-04-05
USA
| reply to justncredible
said by justncredible:
Sessions is doing the will of the people, the majority of people do not want muni ran services.
Please cite your resources for "the majority of people". I'd like to see national, non-push, polls or other objective measures to back your assertion. We've done polls in our community and due to the bad performance of the incumbents, we've found the vast majority support muni-efforts to increase telecommunications efforts. We are now working on a statistically valid survey to check out our polls which were taken randomly at street fairs, civic meetings, etc. Note, at the street fairs it was random, whoever walked by - so there was no cherry picking of respondants. I've provided the references for my information - provide yours.
waiting ..... |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| reply to justncredible
said by justncredible:
I really think this is what the people want, imagine government not wasting more money. Not raising taxes for foolish pipedreams. If we all voted on this issue it would fail. No one in a sane state of mind wants bigger government. Seems every time some crap like this gets posted a few morons come ranting about "how dare the government not spend more tax dollars" or " please I need the government to choose my ISP for me, I am to stupid to make a choice". Sessions is doing the will of the people, the majority of people do not want muni ran services.
Pure hyperbole. |
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Ga Dawg
join:2003-09-11
Marietta, GA
| reply to nixen
said by nixen :said by Ga Dawg :said by Brianv5 :I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws! It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. It is the legislature's job to make laws that are in the best interests of the electorate. Not sure how making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate benefits the electorate. And, sorry, but the electorate is composed of the people that vote the legislators into office, not the lobbyists that line legislators' pockets. -tom When did I say that making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate was a benefit to the electorate? And on that note, when did I say that the electorate was composed of lobbyists?
Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. I was commenting on some fool lamenting the fact that the legislature is making laws while there are people without jobs and food. I simply stated that it is not the legislarures job to provide those things. |
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mastmaker
@covad.net
| reply to rmko
Re: Have you voice heard!
You got it wrong with legislation no.1 (though you got it right with no. 2). Here is the correction:
1. Preserving Innovation in Transportation Act of 2005.
Public transportation cannot have a bus stop, train station or other public transportation outlet within 2 mile radius of any home having a private transportation (car/SUV/truck/bicycle). Those areas which don't have a private transportation (including large parts of Nevada and Utah deserts) are considered 'market failure' and allowed to have public transportation. |
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justncredible
@rr.com
| reply to LegoPower77
Re: Such a waste of time
I really think this is what the people want, imagine government not wasting more money. Not raising taxes for foolish pipedreams. If we all voted on this issue it would fail. No one in a sane state of mind wants bigger government. Seems every time some crap like this gets posted a few morons come ranting about "how dare the government not spend more tax dollars" or " please I need the government to choose my ISP for me, I am to stupid to make a choice". Sessions is doing the will of the people, the majority of people do not want muni ran services. |
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footballdude
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| reply to Ga Dawg
said by Ga Dawg :It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. In a perfect world you may be correct. In this world, the legislature's jobs are to get reelected. It makes sense that they use their influence to help those who help them. |
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