calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| reply to wdoa
yeah, right.....
...and I remember when people were saying that General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler were running the company. Now one of them has been sold to the Germans and the other two are rated as "junk" investments.
While it may seem fun to dump on large corporations, they aren't nearly as omnipotent as you seem to think.
calvoiper
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| reply to lazarus_
Re: Yay opression!
When your signature tagline includes "facts are meaningless", I suppose we should expect that your posts are all emotion without reference to facts?
At least that would explain why you think our government is doing things the way China and North Korea are. You should go live there for a year or so and see if you really believe we are close to that level.
calvoiper
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Captain Obvious
| reply to lawrence171
The way I see it, both statements are true. Corporations are raping and pillaging the countryside, AND the government is swinging towards socialism. It could be argued that the government has little choice, though I disagree. By propping up the poor with welfare and other handouts, they are eliminating the political pressure for change.
This, to me, is the worst offense - as people who are taking handouts are generally not going to bite the hand that feeds them. So, as corporatism rises, socialism rises, and nothing changes. The people who have the money to make change, won't - because it's already good for them. The people who don't have the money, can't - lest they lose what little they have left.
Come to think of it - you may be right. We seem to be destined for corporate serfdom. Will we one day answer to Lord PHP instead of Manager PHP? |
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lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada
| reply to Captain Obvious
Are you certain?
Capitalism is all that US is... All the companies are driving the government either by controlling or forcing them (ie. buying out senators, and forcing people who want better internet to built their own network)
Perhaps, there will be enough of a gap between the rich and the poor that the country could split into two?
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wdoa
join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA
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| reply to Captain Obvious
The US is not moving closer to Socialism, we are moving closer and closer to a dictatorship of the Corporations. The poor are getting poorer and the rich richer, and the middle class is vanishing. It's not so much a world of countries with democratic forms of government, and counties with totalitarian forms of government, but rather large bands of corporations making the call. Walmart is dead set against their workers joining a union in the US, but surprise surprise supports it in China where the Union is an offshoot of the Communist government.
If you are one of the rich, lucky you. If you are middle class are lower, look forward to a "retirement" of eating dog food and working greeting visitors at your local "Megalamart"... |
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Captain Obvious
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| reply to rideboarder
This might be true, except that the US is no longer truly capitalist either. Our government has been swinging further and further into socialism for the last 50 years to the point. It has now reached the point where "capitalism" is almost illegal. |
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lazarus_
join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU
| reply to rideboarder
said by rideboarder :said by Rothan Tik :It'd almost be easier for them to not allow the Internet if they wanted to avoid that. It'll ultimately help the country reform from the inside out though. I give China another 15-20 years before the State finally gives way to the younger populace who embrace Capitalism. For their sake, I hope they never go into capitalism quite as far as the US. It's almost a full circle.. Some of the stuff the US gov is doing reminds me of how China and other North Korea, Russia, Syria etc..
It's a sad day when people's rights are waived in the name of "security" pretty soon it will be 1984.
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rideboarder
welcome to the social
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join:2003-07-28
Snohomish, WA
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said by Rothan Tik :It'd almost be easier for them to not allow the Internet if they wanted to avoid that. It'll ultimately help the country reform from the inside out though. I give China another 15-20 years before the State finally gives way to the younger populace who embrace Capitalism. For their sake, I hope they never go into capitalism quite as far as the US. |
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