Rethink
join:2005-06-16
UK | reply to fiberguy
Re: Nice Speeds
I know a technology already that will give 1 Gig on a twised pair, so you're right already. |
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Trollhawk
join:2005-05-28
3 edits | reply to fiberguy
I think you made the best point so far, fiberguy. It says right in the top paragraph, "...and will be appealing for companies looking for less expensive alternatives to running fiber straight to the home."
It's all about the money, people. Regardless of what technology is superior, it's all about ROI(return on investment), and each company will do what it believes will be most profitable within their own time frames.
I'm not bashing fiber, but would you rather wait 7+ years on 6Mbps broadband to get a 100Mbps fiber connection, or would you rather have 25Mbps xDSL within 2-3 years, and upgrade that to fiber in another 5+ years? And yes, I know Verizon is already deploying fiber, but how long will it take them reach 18 million households? That's the estimate another telco is saying they'll be able to reach with xDSL by 2007.
Let's not forget that xDSL is a technology, not a physical carrier like copper or fiber. Telcos don't have to run a new transmission medium to your house to enable xDSL. Only the endpoint equipment needs updating, perhaps even just a firmware update in some cases. That makes it much easier to bump up speeds until fiber can be run all the way to the prem.
Regarding T1's etc., VDSL will even replace those where it makes economical sense. Just like Tx's, VDSL can be run on multiple pairs. For those who only think in terms of price, speed is not the only determinant. Tx's cost more for their quality of service, ie- less downtime, quicker time to fix. VDSL will also be priced accordingly- more for Tx replacements, less for consumer VDSL.
Lastly, telcos employing VDSL are not doing it in lieu of running fiber. They are actually doing it while concurrently running fiber. For example, SBC's project lightspeed is an initiative to get fiber run to within ~5kft of each home, so that they can offer more people faster xDSL, in less time than it would take to run fiber to same amount of homes. The next logical step(assuming we don't all go wireless) would be to replace the "last mile" copper to the home with fiber.
So to sum up, I don't think VDSL is an alternative to fiber in the long run, but it is a very good "next step" before fiber reaches the majority of households. |
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Rfsjr2
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join:2001-08-11
Ferndale, WA
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said by fiberguy  :People want it all right now but when the providers says to the consumer "open your pocket book" what do you say? I say "Great! Where do I sign?" 
I find consumers with real options to be a bit of a whiny lot.
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vagabond
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join:2004-03-08
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said by fiberguy :People want it all right now but when the providers says to the consumer "open your pocket book" what do you say? I thought so. SO TRUE, people bitch about paying $26.99 for 256/256 DSL. LOL
Anyways I wonder if Qwest will look into this, they have regular VDSL in parts of Omaha, Phoenix and Denver. It would probably cost alot to change all the existing USAMS though. The reason that VDSL has not expanded at all in Qwest's territory is because it's not profitable enough.
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maartena
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Orange, CA
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said by webnetwiz :Because fiber can do gig speeds in the future, and one copper pair won't. Not only that. A single fibre optic cable will be able to deliver 200 HDTV channels, 4 phone lines for the house, 1 Gbps Internet, Dedicated "small-band" connections to your alarm company and other services.... all through one cable.
Fiber technology also allows for much easier splitting of services on said cable, where your cable company leases part of it for TV and your ISP uses another part of it for broadband, if you choose to use different companies.
I don't foresee that possibility with copper wires. At leaast, it will be limited a lot more then fiberoptics.
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quetwo
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join:2004-09-04
East Lansing, MI
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said by webnetwiz :Because fiber can do gig speeds in the future, and one copper pair won't. This technology requires at least two pairs -- depending on the distance from the CO. This would at least double the number of wires required to run DSL to the modem. |
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vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
1 edit | reply to fiberguy
You make good points, but they're not related to the thread you're replying to.
The question wasn't "Why VDSL2 when we can have fiber?", the question was "Why fiber when we can have VDSL2?" |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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People want it all right now but when the providers says to the consumer "open your pocket book" what do you say?
I thought so.
VDSL2 is a great option for the company in the current landscape of the industry. People say "why VDSL2 if fiber can do gig speeds?" If they could do gig speeds, then why not do it now? Why wait? People, it COSTS MONEY to put these speeds through the pipes. What, do you want to over power that little thing called the backbone?
People want everything! Hey, BROADBAND IS STILL NEW! Remember? What did you ahve 5 years ago? For many, it was still dial up! Let's get real.
Ask yourself this.. if you had the ability to run SBC or Charter, or Verizon even, would you do a large fiber deployment now? If it were me? NO! I would find th cheapest way to deploy the fastest speeds possible in the least amount of time. There is no real way to see into the bb future. Billions people! Billions of dollars to lay fiber. Everyone runs it, now what? Now every company has debt. To pay that debt off, they need paying customers; customers who will pay the price for a fiber line. From what I can tell in these forums, not many here would be willing to pay the REAL price of providing brandband services.
Ever wonder why there is a bundled price for bb service? It's because multiple product hits help subsidize the cost of actually deploying the service. Also, a company has to keep a customer an average of 18 months JUST TO BREAK EVEN!
You guys are asking too much for fiber right now. It's just too much too soon. In time, people will see fiber, but I don't think you will see it as a norm pipeline widespread for at least 25 years or so.
Now, you say fiber can do gig speeds and copper pair won't.. says you? We never thought that copper pair would do more than 28.8... even 56k.. when DSL rolled out, we thought that 1.5 and 15,000 feet would be the limit of that technolody. Proved many people wrong eh?
Anyone here that says "can't" or "won't" is a fool themselves. You don't know what technology could bring.
In all honesty, I think many people here live in a dream world and not reality.
One question to aks you all.. if 100mb came out, what are you willing to pay for it? and what would you expect for that money? My guess is that most people would hope that it was $20 a month and had an uptime of 99.9% (which far exceeds even business class service) |
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webnetwiz
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join:2004-09-22
Van Nuys, CA | reply to Gunslinger03
Because fiber can do gig speeds in the future, and one copper pair won't. |
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