BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
 ·Comcast
| reply to bogey780
Re: Nice Speeds
Honestly look at the telco's and tell me that is what they are trying to do !
They are trying to hang on to an out dated system. They need to get on the bandwagon like VZ and use their collective power to lower costs on equipment. Why rebuild 4 times to get what could be done today ?
Roll out like VZ is and after 12 months the service in the area breaks even. If half sign up then 24 months. BFD the system will be in place for at least 10 years maybe more seeing as there is no known transport as fast as fiber at the moment and much of the work being done is to make fiber faster.
We have hit a technology saturation point and until some one discovers a major break threw in quantum physics there won't be much more to do. Bear in mind that copper has lasted over 100 years. If Fiber makes it 30 years they will see the same profits as copper did over that 100 years.
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
 ·Speakeasy
| reply to Gunslinger03
VDSL2 relies on bonding loops. That means, for each speed multiple, instead of one loop/port, you need multiple. Fibre can essentially be dialed up without chewing up more ports.
-tom
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Rfsjr2
Shop on Top
Premium
join:2001-08-11
Ferndale, WA
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| reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy  :People want it all right now but when the providers says to the consumer "open your pocket book" what do you say? I say "Great! Where do I sign?" 
I find consumers with real options to be a bit of a whiny lot.
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Trollhawk
join:2005-05-28
3 edits | reply to fiberguy
I think you made the best point so far, fiberguy. It says right in the top paragraph, "...and will be appealing for companies looking for less expensive alternatives to running fiber straight to the home."
It's all about the money, people. Regardless of what technology is superior, it's all about ROI(return on investment), and each company will do what it believes will be most profitable within their own time frames.
I'm not bashing fiber, but would you rather wait 7+ years on 6Mbps broadband to get a 100Mbps fiber connection, or would you rather have 25Mbps xDSL within 2-3 years, and upgrade that to fiber in another 5+ years? And yes, I know Verizon is already deploying fiber, but how long will it take them reach 18 million households? That's the estimate another telco is saying they'll be able to reach with xDSL by 2007.
Let's not forget that xDSL is a technology, not a physical carrier like copper or fiber. Telcos don't have to run a new transmission medium to your house to enable xDSL. Only the endpoint equipment needs updating, perhaps even just a firmware update in some cases. That makes it much easier to bump up speeds until fiber can be run all the way to the prem.
Regarding T1's etc., VDSL will even replace those where it makes economical sense. Just like Tx's, VDSL can be run on multiple pairs. For those who only think in terms of price, speed is not the only determinant. Tx's cost more for their quality of service, ie- less downtime, quicker time to fix. VDSL will also be priced accordingly- more for Tx replacements, less for consumer VDSL.
Lastly, telcos employing VDSL are not doing it in lieu of running fiber. They are actually doing it while concurrently running fiber. For example, SBC's project lightspeed is an initiative to get fiber run to within ~5kft of each home, so that they can offer more people faster xDSL, in less time than it would take to run fiber to same amount of homes. The next logical step(assuming we don't all go wireless) would be to replace the "last mile" copper to the home with fiber.
So to sum up, I don't think VDSL is an alternative to fiber in the long run, but it is a very good "next step" before fiber reaches the majority of households. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
| reply to BosstonesOwn
'Roll out like VZ is and after 12 months the service in the area breaks even.'
That's not even close to being accurate. VZ started something that'll take almost a decade to be completed and several more years before profit is seen.
Ask yourself what is accomplished by hanging onto copper if as you believe fiber is faster and cheaper? |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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·Comcast
| Your talking a nation wide scale I am talking area wide. As each area become profitable the money made there is used in another area. They are not stupid that is why verizon is rolling out the fiber.
Copper is dieing technology for telecom. As we become more wired to our world we need bigger and faster pipes. Nothing is accomplished by saving copper except pinching more pennies.
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc :"There are so many issues with copper in the buildings"So you are running fiber to the phones too? As a matter of fact yes  FIOS includes your phoneline, and the bad part of it is actually that they completely remove your copper so you can't go back to copper if you wanted to.
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | No, I meant direct to the physical phone itself. But whatever. |
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Rethink
join:2005-06-16
UK | reply to fiberguy
I know a technology already that will give 1 Gig on a twised pair, so you're right already. |
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