ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | Bellsouth did this with IFITL
Many people don't know this, but I just wanted to bring this to light as its nothing new. Bellsouth did exactly this when they were deploying fiber for their IFITL (Integrated Fiber In The Loop) platform, which they no longer continue to deply. |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
|  said by ColdFiltered  :Bellsouth did exactly this when they were deploying fiber for their IFITL (Integrated Fiber In The Loop) platform, which they no longer continue to deply. who says they no longer deploy it? |
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Rob
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said by ColdFiltered :Many people don't know this, but I just wanted to bring this to light as its nothing new. Bellsouth did exactly this when they were deploying fiber for their IFITL (Integrated Fiber In The Loop) platform, which they no longer continue to deply. Don't remind us.
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betterhardware
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The commitment to better, more energy efficient ONT's and equipment will make copper based networks obsolete! Battery backup tecnology should get better over time (we all hope) wiht lithium ion batteries probably doubling the capacity of regular sla (sealed lead acid) which should provide lots of 'standby and talktime' in emergencies.. (good to keep a spare, just incase) Next generation GBPON equipment should provide a better energy savings as well as increased bandwidth and have a more robust battery backup solution as well- with that, why would anyone want to go back? |
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The Right Info
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You are wrong. IFITL is not even close to the same thing. IFITL uses fiber to the curb and then standard CAT3/CAT5 cabling to the house. No fiber NIDs or special equipment on the customers side. |
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Rob
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Kendall, FL
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| said by The Right Info:
You are wrong. IFITL is not even close to the same thing. IFITL uses fiber to the curb and then standard CAT3/CAT5 cabling to the house. No fiber NIDs or special equipment on the customers side.
So where is the copper for IFITL Users? THey removed the existing copper and ran fiber to the curb and then cat3/cat5 to the house. Which means we can never pick another DSL provider, we *must* use Bellsouth with their 1.5/256 $45/mo. whereas cable is 4.0/384 for $42.95. hmm
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jtudor
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join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC
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said by Cod :who says they no longer deploy it?
Everyone.
Just do a search in the Bellsouth forum. Those who have it will keep it, those who do not have it now, will not get it.
Bellsouth has moved on to newer technology, and left IFITL behind.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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said by Rob :said by The Right Info:
You are wrong. IFITL is not even close to the same thing. IFITL uses fiber to the curb and then standard CAT3/CAT5 cabling to the house. No fiber NIDs or special equipment on the customers side.
So where is the copper for IFITL Users? THey removed the existing copper and ran fiber to the curb and then cat3/cat5 to the house. Which means we can never pick another DSL provider, we *must* use Bellsouth with their 1.5/256 $45/mo. whereas cable is 4.0/384 for $42.95. hmm This is stupid - why would this mean you cannot choose anybody else?
What's the difference between Verion-owned copper or Verizon-owned fiber? If they'll be less competietive, you'll simply call up another company, cable or DSL and they'll either have access to Verizon's fiber or will pull in or reactivate your old copper. It's not your job to care about that - for example I upgraded my Speakeasy last year to OneLink, a copper pulled-in and owned by Speakeasy (or Covad, dunno'), so I waS able to get rid of Verizon and their cheating incorrect billing practices from my life forever. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
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This is Verizon's anti-CLEC plan ...
...which is a key component of the FIOS strategy. The government will never force Verizon to lease any portion of the fiber connection to any competitor, at rates lower than Verizon wants to lease it at. Not so with copper. So removing that copper loop is very important to Verizon. |
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Rob
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
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Re: Bellsouth did this with IFITL
said by kamm :said by Rob :said by The Right Info:
You are wrong. IFITL is not even close to the same thing. IFITL uses fiber to the curb and then standard CAT3/CAT5 cabling to the house. No fiber NIDs or special equipment on the customers side.
So where is the copper for IFITL Users? THey removed the existing copper and ran fiber to the curb and then cat3/cat5 to the house. Which means we can never pick another DSL provider, we *must* use Bellsouth with their 1.5/256 $45/mo. whereas cable is 4.0/384 for $42.95. hmm This is stupid - why would this mean you cannot choose anybody else? What's the difference between Verion-owned copper or Verizon-owned fiber? If they'll be less competietive, you'll simply call up another company, cable or DSL and they'll either have access to Verizon's fiber or will pull in or reactivate your old copper. It's not your job to care about that - for example I upgraded my Speakeasy last year to OneLink, a copper pulled-in and owned by Speakeasy (or Covad, dunno'), so I waS able to get rid of Verizon and their cheating incorrect billing practices from my life forever. Sadly, IFITL doesn't have regulations like copper and Bellsouth is not forced to allow other ISPS (ie. Speakeasy) to sell the service. Therefore, we must use bellsouth with the standard 1.5/256 speeds (they do not support higher speeds).
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
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One only needs to keep in mind why SBC sought (from the FCC) a ruling that yeilded them the right not to share any new fiber infrastructure.
Now, I never meant to suggest that Bellsouth hasn't sought to tariff their IFITL service, because they have and they do wholesale it to resellers--I'm using Speed Factory as an example. But, its a single tariff for a set program service. The design wasn't to accommodate multi-tier service offerings.
And the only copper on my loop is between the green torpedo on my lawn and my NID (and into my home).
betterhardware, you are correct and it is a good approach. Energy isn't free and communications companies use a buttload.
The Right Info: Why are you being snide? I offered an example of how Bellsouth's IFITL removes copper (POTS) lines that typically come in from a CO, SLC, etc. I never meant to imply that there wasn't any copper. Sure, the final 200-400' is copper, but there isn't an F1/F2 paired assembly leading back to a SLC or central office. And its because of this condition that newer copper-only services cannot be offered on it. ANd there isn't a modem to speak of. Its strictly Ethernet to the Ethernet switch. |
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roamer1
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Atlanta, GA
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said by Rob :So where is the copper for IFITL Users? THey removed the existing copper and ran fiber to the curb and then cat3/cat5 to the house. Which means we can never pick another DSL provider, we *must* use Bellsouth with their 1.5/256 $45/mo. whereas cable is 4.0/384 for $42.95. hmm Has BellSouth actually rebuilt existing neighborhoods with IFITL? Here in Atlanta, all the IFITL and DFITL/MX builds I've seen have been in new developments, not rebuilds.
As for choice of ISP: here, Speed Factory sells service to IFITL customers.
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY
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Re: This is Verizon's anti-CLEC plan ...
said by PDXPLT :...which is a key component of the FIOS strategy. The government will never force Verizon to lease any portion of the fiber connection to any competitor, at rates lower than Verizon wants to lease it at. Not so with copper. So removing that copper loop is very important to Verizon. It is my understanding that Verizon is negotiating with CLECs to lease Fios-based services on a wholesale basis. I thought I read about it on dlsreports first, but I just tried a search and could not find it. |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| ...like everything else, unless the terms and pricing of the "negotiated" lease are subject to regulatory oversight (they aren't), there won't be any financial benefit to a CLEC to enter into such leases. Verizon will simply dictate terms and call it a "negotiation."
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
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Re: Bellsouth did this with IFITL
said by betterhardware:
... with that, why would anyone want to go back?
Because the copper is subject to UNE-loop leasing rules, whereas the fiber is not. In particular, even if Covad has a collo in your CO, there is no remaining copper loop for Covad to lease to your home. If there were, then Covad could provide you DSL and a thousand or so VoIP providers could give you voice.
With only the fiber present, any use of that fiber by other companies will be only on Verizon's own chosen terms, without the input or oversight of regulatory commissions.
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fiber_man
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Port Saint Lucie, FL
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Almost all new developments are using DFITL (FTTC). There are several neighborhoods in Miami-Dade that were retrofitted with IFITL/DFITL in the last few years. Some of them from what I have heard are using IPTV as a trial as I write this. I don't know how it is going! We are deploying the backbone for IPTV in this area right now.
As for copper going away forget it. What do you think powers all of the pedestals in the IFITL/DFITL deployments. Thats right 22 guage copper from the cabinet to the pedestal. 138V DC if you are wandering.
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