Vchat20
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join:2003-09-16
Warren, OH
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| reply to chzdhippt
Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents...
well, all i know is that in our area, when our bill gets to the past due point and they "shut off" our phone, we still have a dial tone for about a week and then it gets completely shut off.
in regards to my original reply, i didn't say ALL lines HAVE to have a dial tone, i said they are supposed to have them last i heard. regardless, i think that all POTS lines should have dial tones regardless of whether its activated or not simply for 911 usage.
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chzdhippt
join:2004-06-30
Orange Beach, AL
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In regards to all POTS lines having dialtone, this is incorrect. The requirement is that all lines with dialtone be able to call 911, and normally, companies will also connect misdials to a sales dept (to encourage sales). Non-activated lines do not necessarily have dialtone. |
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Murray3
join:2001-03-06
Texas
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said by Vchat20  :to improve upon your idea, last i heard, POTS lines are supposed to constantly have a dial tone regardless of whether service is activated on it or not. difference is, if not activated, only basic 911 access and (sometimes) calls to the phone company's customer support/etc. numbers go through. You are correct. At least it has worked this way in my experience. |
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pnh102
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said by Jason Levine :A) raise VoIP as an alternative in people's minds should 911 service not be a priority and True, but you don't even have to mention VoIP (or cellular) alternatives to 911. You could probably see James Earl Jones say something like "Insist on genuine Verizon telephone service for your family's peace of mind" or something like that.
said by Jason Levine :B) make VoIP seem less desirable to those who value 911 service (thus turning those customers away from the POTS companies' possible future VoIP products). It wouldn't be the first time a company "competed against itself" so I don't think this would be a big deal. If an existing POTS customer switched to a telegraph company's VoIP service or if the POTS customer retained traditional telegraph service, the phone company would still be making money.
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pnh102
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said by lawrence171 :Ugh... what right does that woman have to make another suffer endlessly because of her own stupidity/incompetence? As long as the law allows for such stupid lawsuits to proceed, they will never end. I think if we change the presumption of guilt that goes with civil lawsuits (e.g, the idiot would have to prove Vonage screwed up as opposed to Vonage having to prove that it didn't screw up) we would see a significant drop in the amount of money paid out in damages.
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pnh102
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There were a couple of friends of mine who just had their first child who were in the same position. They had been considering VoIP until I mentioned to them the 911 issue. Its just not worth the risk and no amount of cost savings will change that.
I am sure though that if they actually saw the big red labels or even the fine print indicating that 911 didn't work as we all expect it to that they would have reconsidered. I feel like I only pushed up the inevitable.
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
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Why VoIP has no TRUE 911...
The reason there is no true 911 is because not all the Telephone companies feel they should help a service that is not regulated and taxed as they are. It's a battle for "WHO CAN WE GET MONEY FROM NOW"... You see, in order for 911 to work, it REQUIRES the phone network to terminate to a CAMA trunk in your local CO (Central Office). Most CO's won't let the VoIP provider put a Gateway switch in your local CO, so they have to do the next best thing, terminate the call to the PSAP, who then finds the correct CAMA trunk to connect the call thru. Now cell phones, thats a different story. Since they are regulated, they have to by law offer 911. They also, by law, have to allow a competitor access to their CAMA trunks in each CO to make 911 work. I think if the Phone company (pigs) would play fair, people wouldn't HAVE to lose lives to VoIP service. |
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pnh102
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Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents...
said by PhoenixDown :The bottom line is that 911 needs to be reliable regardless of whether its over VOIP or a cell phone. It does, but it's not. While we may not have any control over this, we need to understand that when it comes to the safety of our families, we need to research and make the right choice for the purposes of dialing 911 when its needed.
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
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You know, I've thought for a long time we should have a breeding license. On paper it looks great. If you are a competent adult with a safe and nurturing environment for a child, then you are allowed to create one.
Then the governement steps in and starts corrupting everything. Before you know, we have Half-Life 2 on our hands. Only we don't get a Gordon Freeman.  |
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PhoenixDown
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The bottom line is that 911 needs to be reliable regardless of whether its over VOIP or a cell phone. We pay alot of money for 911 related initiatives that we shouldn't have to pay for in the first place - where is the outrage about that?
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
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...or in California, you would be routed to the state highway patrol, who will sometimes let you wait in a queue and then try to figure out which PSAP you should really be connected to....
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Vchat20
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Warren, OH
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| reply to Alphabyte
to improve upon your idea, last i heard, POTS lines are supposed to constantly have a dial tone regardless of whether service is activated on it or not. difference is, if not activated, only basic 911 access and (sometimes) calls to the phone company's customer support/etc. numbers go through.
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Jason Levine
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said by pnh102 :I am surprised that POTS providers have not capitalized on this problem by advertising that their product works perfectly with 911. The POTS companies probably either don't see VoIP as a threat just yet or want to keep their options open should they decide to enter the market. If they were to proclaim "VoIP is dangerous and doesn't support 911 properly" they would:
A) raise VoIP as an alternative in people's minds should 911 service not be a priority and
B) make VoIP seem less desirable to those who value 911 service (thus turning those customers away from the POTS companies' possible future VoIP products).
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LoftyDan
join:2002-10-22
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As much as I like to point that fact out to people (as a reason to not dispose of old cell phones), I've never actually gotten through with 911 on a cell phone during the day time. First time, I let the phone redial for over 5 minutes, never to get through, only then thinking to call 411 and ask for the CHP. Second time, I did so much quicker... I think any VoIP service, as well as cell phones, should have the emergency number stored as a preset. |
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lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada
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Ugh... what right does that woman have to make another suffer endlessly because of her own stupidity/incompetence?
The court makes decision base on what's best for society and/or the individuals involved. Can you honestly tell me that such a mother will give birth to healthy babies? |
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Murray3
join:2001-03-06
Texas
| reply to Alphabyte
said by Alphabyte :You don't even need a land line for proper 911. An cell phone that turns on is required to let calls go throught to 911 regardless if it's activated or not. That's true. For some of us though, we don't get good cell phone coverage from our homes, though we're able to have a reliable POTS line. |
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cbs228
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join:2000-09-04
Saint Louis, MO | reply to Alphabyte
Cellular 911 is almost as bad as Vonage 911. The PSAP operators do not get any location data, and if you are near the county border your call could be routed to the wrong PSAP entirely. |
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sektor1952
join:2001-02-28
Palm Coast, FL | reply to BosstonesOwn
You forgot about the e-mails vonage sends you when you first sign up for the service to remind you to setup 911 service. |
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pnh102
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said by PhoenixDown :I get see the VOIP advertisements all the time and if you didn't know better, you would almost swear thats the service is being provided over POTS in some cases and I never saw any of them mention that 911 might be an 'issue'. It is very misleading. You're right about this. All of these advertisements should make it clear that 911 service doesn't work like POTS-based 911. But its still the parents' responsibility to find out these things when they consider making the switch from POTS to VoIP.
I am surprised that POTS providers have not capitalized on this problem by advertising that their product works perfectly with 911.
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Storm72
join:2003-07-03
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said by pnh102 :Its idiots like these who will sue the US tech industry out of the country. I know that once I have kids, the first thing I will do is get the cheapest POTS-based line (even as much as I hate the telegraph companies) just for proper 911 access should it be needed. Don't forget the money-grubbing lawyers who are all too happy to help idiots like this continue to clog the courts with countless numbers of frivolous lawsuits.
As a parent, I think you're dead-on about having a POTS line as a backup. Since I have a security system I do have a POTS line, but my wife and I pretty much use our mobiles for making and receiving calls. We're also entertaining the possibility of going with VoIP, but no matter what we end up doing, we're still going to hang on to our scaled-down POTS line for the foreseeable future. |
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