Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Re: Isn't it obvious? quote:
But the government doesn't pay for its failures--the taxpayer does.
A growing number of the munis are using non-tax based financing (private, etc) | |
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join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA
| Re: Isn't it obvious? How is a muni going to cover costs by rolling out a billion dollar network in an unsuitable area? How is the muni going to adapt? And if the muni ever did make a profit, would you see a dime of it?
I am aware governments bail out private ventures, and that is yet another unfortunate example of how they abuse their power. We could go on for days about the wasteful bailouts politicians give whenever it is time to grandstand or buy votes. | |
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SpitefulCrow
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join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA
| said by Gunslinger03  :How is a muni going to cover costs by rolling out a billion dollar network in an unsuitable area? How is the muni going to adapt? And if the muni ever did make a profit, would you see a dime of it? I am aware governments bail out private ventures, and that is yet another unfortunate example of how they abuse their power. We could go on for days about the wasteful bailouts politicians give whenever it is time to grandstand or buy votes. Define an "unsuitable area."
Then, would you have opposed government aid in rolling out POTS copper to these areas 100 years ago? | |
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lyls
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| Re: Isn't it obvious? of course he would.... with a name like gunslinger its not very likely that he would EVER be able to admit that he might have spoken too soon  i think muni broadband sounds fine and its kinda sad to see the big corporations have such big influence on politics that they can get them to actually ban muni broadband when they dont even want to serve them anyway | |
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join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA | Re: Isn't it obvious? So if the big corporations have such a big influence on government, why again would you want this corrupt government running your broadband network? | |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Re: Isn't it obvious? Smaller government is more manageable and more directly accountable.
Also, if they're competing with SBC, they'll be less influenced by their lobbyists because loyalties will lie elsewhere (like to the people) | |
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join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA
| Re: Isn't it obvious? said by Minister :Smaller government is more manageable and more directly accountable. I agree. So why make it larger by giving it the power over a broadband network?
said by Minister :Also, if they're competing with SBC, they'll be less influenced by their lobbyists because loyalties will lie elsewhere (like to the people) They problem is they cannot compete. This is because they are funded by the taxpayer who has little recourse--and because they have the money of the taxpayer they are not forced into being innovative. They can bury costs of rollout, upgrade, and maintenance in your taxes. Sure you can vote them out, but if a crooked politician has enough money they will get in office. | |
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Gunslinger03
join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA | Munis issue bonds, the taxpayers eventually pay the bonds. Like I have said before, give me one example where this was not the case. | |
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join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA | Re: Isn't it obvious? Twist the words any way you want. The taxpayers pay the bonds. | |
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join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA
| Re: Isn't it obvious? This is a really simply concept, and the last post I am going to waste my time making on this one: If the muni cannot cover its bills with enough income the taxpayer will fill the gap. The taxpayer also has no way to ensure some of their tax revenue, city fees, etc., are not somehow getting secretly funneled into it. But unlike a private enterprise held accountable only from revenues by people that want the service, everyone that pays taxes would be tied into a muni. | |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
| Re: Isn't it obvious? If a community votes to wire itself, it's not socialism. It's Democracy. If they shoved it down your throat, it would be socialism.
Your entire position as yet another free-market talking head is based entirely on one premise: Greed. Less regulation, less taxation, less baracades to you getting more money in your pocket.
Boiled down, all your entire philosphy is based on is GREED. (sometimes fear)
Greed isn't a policy. | |
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