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Dayton, OH
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Re: deregulation = price increases
said by odog  :I hate to it... but most of the time deregulation has the opposite effect. Any time they say they want the law changed so they can lower rates.... and also claims that they also want to do it..... really gives me doubts. Check the price of air fare, long distance, and gas.
Once they were regulated, now they are not. Today, they are far cheaper than before.
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pnh102
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said by Beeper :Check the price of air fare, long distance, and gas. Once they were regulated, now they are not. Today, they are far cheaper than before. These days, the price of gas isn't the best example of a price drop after deregulation 
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You forgot cable... Oh wait, the price of cable increased after deregulation.
Fact is you can't say whether prices will increase or decrease after deregulation or not. Everyone thought cable prices would drop after deregulation and that hasn't been the case in the least.
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Minvaren
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join:2001-07-26
Houston, TX
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On the other hand, there's always electricity deregulation... |
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Saradin
join:2003-05-03 | reply to Beeper
I'm a young dude, so I have to ask: what were gas prices before deregulation? They've been climbing here in central NJ over the past decade to ~2.10$ (give or take up to 10 cents) a gallon for plain unleaded now |
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Beeper
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Dayton, OH
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said by pnh102 :Emphasis mine:said by Beeper :Check the price of air fare, long distance, and gas. Once they were regulated, now they are not. Today, they are far cheaper than before. These days, the price of gas isn't the best example of a price drop after deregulation Tis true, until you factor in inflation. When you do, today's gas is cheap.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Energy deregulation wasn't good for California (yeah Enron - we mean you!) |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | reply to Beeper
Long distance was deregulated? I thought ATT got split up and LD services was just opened up to competition. |
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drakkkar
join:2003-02-07
Houston, TX
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said by Beeper :said by odog :I hate to it... but most of the time deregulation has the opposite effect. Any time they say they want the law changed so they can lower rates.... and also claims that they also want to do it..... really gives me doubts. Check the price of air fare, long distance, and gas. Once they were regulated, now they are not. Today, they are far cheaper than before. Long distance used to be expensive, because it was once considered a luxury, not a necessity. High LD rates helped facilitate cheap infrastructure. The deal was basically, you provide anyone in the US with a dial tone who wants one fairly cheaply, and then you can make your profits off of long distance.
Poor highly rural arear would have been left behind by some sort of a "Telephone Divide" otherwise, since they would never have had the leverage to get phone service in a pure free market unregulated environment.
Then, once pretty much everyone had a dialtone, dereglation was possible. Both regulation of telecom, and deregulation each have thier place at various times.
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Galvage
join:2004-02-11
Taconite, MN
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Check the price of air fare, long distance, and gas.
Once they were regulated, now they are not. Today, they are far cheaper than before.
Well airfare went straight up along with the telephone bill. It wasn't until VOIP that telephone bills got cheaper. But also with the deregulation of the cell phones I am noticing higher bills there. Oh yeah what about the deregulation of energy I don't think the people in san diego would agree with you.
As for the price of gas it was highest back in the gas crisis. But before that it was pretty damn cheap. |
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said by Saradin :I'm a young dude, so I have to ask: what were gas prices before deregulation? They've been climbing here in central NJ over the past decade to ~2.10$ (give or take up to 10 cents) a gallon for plain unleaded now I remember in 93 when i got my brand spanking new camaro, super unleaded was 1.09 a gallon and that was the highest price i can remember for that year.
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As fireside point out, a major part of the long distance equation was government action to break up the at&t phone monopoly and to deny the resulting local voice companies entrance into the long distance market(so they couldn't leverage their local voice monopoly into long distance dominance, which they have since done with more recent moves to deregulate).
Deregulation isn't inherently good or bad. There are smart ways to deregulate and idiotic ways to deregulate. |
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pnh102
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said by Beeper :Tis true, until you factor in inflation. When you do, today's gas is cheap. I would be afraid to go there as well. Inflation isn't as low as many people think it is.
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pnh102
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said by en102 :Energy deregulation wasn't good for California (yeah Enron - we mean you!) Well technically it was not "deregulation." It was a re-regulation of the energy industry which was called "deregulation." Contrast this with Pennsylvania, which has had deregulated electrical service for quite some time, and along with it, a true drop in prices and a real choice in energy providers. Heck, our deregulated electrical grid was spared the worst of the Big Blackout of 2003 
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Beeper
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join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
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Try this for size. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Can't really factor inflation for gas as it is a commodity. Just look at the how that chart flies up and down. In 2003 when Bush said he wanted to invade Iraq gas prices were at about $1.30 where I lived. Two years later and the price has gone up 70%. There is no way you can say that's just the adjustment for inflation.
On top of that I remember gas being as low as $.75 per gallon back in 1998. That would mean the prices went up about 280% in just seven years. This has nothing to do with inflation. It's commodity pricing and goes by very different rules of economics. |
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Beeper
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join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
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| I don't see it fly up and down, except when Ronald Reagan deregulated oil price controls. There was a sharp spike downward.
I see it sell in a fairly narrow band over a 20 year period.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Normally when you see items costs on an inflationary scale you see a steady rise and/or a steady decline based on production costs, demand, cost of living, etc. Here you see spikes and jumps of prices going up and down in an erratic pattern. Sure it looks like most of it stays between $1.25 and $1.60 per gallon over most the decade, but again on most markets you don't see such a continued flux.
I didn't start driving a car until around 1986 so I don't have any recollection of gas prices before then. Do remember gas prices being really low when I was driving. You'll have to fill me in on Reagan's price deregulation scenario. Not sure what that means and how he can have OPEC abide by them. |
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Beeper
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Dayton, OH
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| said by SRFireside : You'll have to fill me in on Reagan's price deregulation scenario. Not sure what that means and how he can have OPEC abide by them. The policy was to try to protect US consumers from high oil prices by setting the price of oil. The consequence was that no one had oil.
After Reagan deregulated, oil shortages disappeared and prices fell sharply.
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