N3EVL
join:2004-12-13
Shrewsbury, MA | reply to RJ44
Re: Not right
Sure, let them offer it *as an option* that you can accept or decline (with appropriate reduction in HOA fees) and be free to select your own provider. |
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| said by N3EVL  :Sure, let them offer it *as an option* that you can accept or decline (with appropriate reduction in HOA fees) and be free to select your own provider. I don't think you understand how exclusive agreements work. The developer and the service provider strike a deal based on total number of units. Those units are guaranteed to the provider, who in turn gives a special rate to the developer based on the number of units. Nobody pays developers for the right to compete against everyone else, they pay for exclusive rights.
The point is that the customer HAS an option. If they don't want internet access and/or whatever else from the exclusive provider, they can buy a home elsewhere. Nobody's forcing them. It's just a marketing tactic. "This home comes with Brand X Internet/Cable/Telephone/Whatever." Take it, or leave it. I don't see the need to claim that it should never be done like that.
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
1 edit | said by RJ44 :The point is that the customer HAS an option. If they don't want internet access and/or whatever else from the exclusive provider, they can buy a home elsewhere. Nobody's forcing them. It's just a marketing tactic. "This home comes with Brand X Internet/Cable/Telephone/Whatever." Take it, or leave it. I don't see the need to claim that it should never be done like that. RJ Last time I checked, when you bought a house you owned it, and everything on your property (minus taxes). You should not be forced into a busniess agreement that has nothing to do with the immediate dwelling or appearance of your home.
"This house comes with netflix" take it or leave it lol yeah right.
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
2 edits | said by vic102482 :Last time I checked, when you bought a house you owned it, and everything on your property (minus taxes). And the last time I checked, when you bought a house that came with a Homeowner's Agreement, that was part of the contract you signed when you bought the house. If I don't like a contract, I generally don't sign them. I don't sign them and then go crying about the terms I just agreed to. |
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
1 edit | said by RJ44 : If I don't like a contract, I generally don't sign them. I don't sign them and then go crying about the terms I just agreed to. Thats good for you:). Now to deal with whats acutally *on* those contracts as permitted by law for everyone else. The justice department has a bone to pick with them as well, or do they not know anything about contracts either?:p
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| said by vic102482 :[The justice department has a bone to pick with them as well, or do they not know anything about contracts either?:p Oh. Well if the justice department has an opinion that automatically proves they're right. Thank God we have the government there to protect people who aren't smart enough to know what the hell they want by themselves.
I'll try not to get too sarcastic here though. The fact of the matter is it's an AGREEMENT. Some people actually want it, therefore they AGREE to it. If you don't want it, don't AGREE by signing it. Why should the government give a damn? |
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
1 edit | said by RJ44 :said by vic102482 :[The justice department has a bone to pick with them as well, or do they not know anything about contracts either?:p Oh. Well if the justice department has an opinion that automatically proves they're right. Thank God we have the government there to protect people who aren't smart enough to know what the hell they want by themselves. I'll try not to get too sarcastic here though. The fact of the matter is it's an AGREEMENT. Some people actually want it, therefore they AGREE to it. If you don't want it, don't AGREE by signing it. Why should the government give a damn? Same logic for you buddy: "Oh look Micorosoft made them sign a contract so it must be legal and fair".... It is because this AGREEMENT doesnt allow freedom of choice. This aint China homeboy. You should be allowed to choose where you buy your car, where you eat your food, and from whom you get your TV service. Hence investigation of ANTI TRUST in relation to this issue. No one is talking about homeowners here. You keep going back to signing an agreement when you buy the home, Im not talking about that right now. It is not because the Justice Department has an opinion that they are automatically right, it is more about freedom of choice. Because someone does something of their own power doesnt make them right. Because SBC signs a contract to provide FORCED service to a property that they do NOT own or contribute to then they are wrong. NOW comes the next step about signing the agreement between the homeowner and the company, you keep talking about the homeowner, Im talking about the practices of the SBC. FOR THE HOMEOWNER just because someone slaps some terms down on a contract doesnt make it legal. You sign a contract with billy bob authorizing you to steal his wifes car....
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You do know federal law and state law overrides any agreements that you can come up with, including companies like Verizon Microsoft and the like right? Anti trust has to do with federal law, so if the government comes back and says it is in violation (which they will because it doesnt allow a user to switch) then what is SBC going to do write up a new contract with the HOA? People often confuse the two. An agreement is exactly that, it doesnt exscuse you from obeying REAL laws and regulations.:)
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| said by vic102482 :[Same logic for you buddy: "Oh look Micorosoft made them sign a contract so it must be legal and fair".... It is because this AGREEMENT doesnt allow freedom of choice. This aint China homeboy. You should be allowed to choose where you buy your car, where you eat your food, and from whom you get your TV service. First off, I'm neither your buddy nor your "homeboy". Obviously we have a difference in philosophy here. Freedom of choice? Please describe for me how the agreements we're talking about restrict my freedom of choice. Are the developers or the service providers pointing a gun at anyone's head forcing them to buy? I have a choice, although it's a concept you seem to not be able to grasp. If I like the deal, I take it. If I don't, I walk.
I'm happy that you want the government making your choices for you. I'm sad that you seem incapable of handling the responsibility yourself. And I'm done with you dancing around the point and refusing to admit that you have a choice, so good luck with the government running your life.
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| said by RJ44 : Please describe for me how the agreements we're talking about restrict my freedom of choice. I'm happy that you want the government making your choices for you. Yup I think we are about done here.:p
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