vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD
1 edit | Not right
THat is definatly not right. Especially if someone doesnt even use Inet service they still ahve to pay HOA fees.
And you know what, We are getting FIOS to our entire community, and I have a VERY STRONG suspicion that this will result in the same situation. (I am a huge lover of FIOS, but I will vote against this if it comes to pass).
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technick
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Loganville, GA
| It should not be apart of the HOA agreement really, though if someone moves in to a new home and signs the HOA agreement then it is required. It's kind of like the argument about swim / tennis communites. "We never go swimming so why do we pay higher HOA fees?". Well because you agreed to them when you moved in.
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en102
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Valencia, CA
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| Agreed - however, typically items such as pool/tennis courts are for community use, and not individual use. This is similar to mello roos here in So. Cal, where the developer put in their own roads/streets/infrastructure outside of the city, and owners have to foot the bill themselves. This was done out here in Stevenson Ranch a while back with a community owned cable company offering slow internet, limited cable TV, and higher prices. Eventually they were sold off to TimeWarner (a good thing!). I do think as an HOA member, the HOA should be able to rid the provider if they do not provide adequate service and competitive pricing. |
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in today's real world, if 1,000.00 per year, give or take, is going to make you or break you than i suggest you lower your housing standards just a little. most people that buy new homes today don't even think about the cost of Internet access, it's not even an issue, besides, they expect it to be included in the monthly payment. the only thing they are pissed about is that a lot of them still have to call for technical support even thou they make high 5 to low 6 figures a year but can't connect by themselves. |
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djrobx
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Valencia, CA
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Eventually they were sold off to TimeWarner (a good thing!). I do think as an HOA member, the HOA should be able to rid the provider if they do not provide adequate service and competitive pricing.
A friend of mine moved into a new condo complex in Saugus. Even though Time Warner services the general area, he's stuck with SBC TV (a rebadged DirecTV service, minus the high definition channels he wants) and SBC DSL services. Him and some others are trying to motivate the HOA into getting a real cable service, but motivating an HOA is not the easiest thing to do.
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guitarzan
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Skytop, PA
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What I dont understand is how can one be forced to take a service they may not want nor want to pay for.? I'm asking honestly as i own my own home as i do not understand what a hoa is can someone explain what a hoa is.? j/k I know what a hoe is.  .Is this for gated communities or condos.?Suppose i have a year contract with sat.tv Which is cheaper than cable in most places.I fail to see how one is forced to get a service with a company they may also hate.Thus maybe the reason for the move..i know long stretch of the imagination there.Only to be force to pay for those despised services again? |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to vic102482
i know condos have a fee for maintaining the building and the grounds, but i dont see how a neighborhood can have fees unless its one of those gated deals.
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gigahurtz
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Congratulations. That was the most unintelligent post i've read this year.
It's not a matter of making or breaking, it's a matter of what's right and what's wrong. As others have mentioned, HOA fees cover things like "yard maintenance, tennis courts, community pool" etc. The fact of the matter is that this person is LOCKED to this internet provider even if they wanted to go with someone else. Internet access should NEVER be apart of HOA fees, period.
What if they locked you into Dish Network & a certain telephone provider. How would you feel about that?
This is absurd and must be stopped, then again it's there choice for moving into this development. |
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| said by gigahurtz  : Internet access should NEVER be apart of HOA fees, period. For the sake of argument...why not? Developers use it as a selling point, people are aware of it when they buy the property. So why not?
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N3EVL
join:2004-12-13
Shrewsbury, MA | Sure, let them offer it *as an option* that you can accept or decline (with appropriate reduction in HOA fees) and be free to select your own provider. |
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vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD
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said by RJ44 :said by gigahurtz : Internet access should NEVER be apart of HOA fees, period. For the sake of argument...why not? Developers use it as a selling point, people are aware of it when they buy the property. So why not? RJ Whats more messed up is I am getting it NOW, so this may be a NEW fee that I most certainly did NOT have when I originally moved here. Nothing in the covenent about internet access either. Now I personally will welcome FIOS (anyone that is a DSLR member rightfully should:p) but for the sake of everyone elkse, I will just as soon vote it down or stop it if I had the chance.
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
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said by N3EVL :Sure, let them offer it *as an option* that you can accept or decline (with appropriate reduction in HOA fees) and be free to select your own provider. I don't think you understand how exclusive agreements work. The developer and the service provider strike a deal based on total number of units. Those units are guaranteed to the provider, who in turn gives a special rate to the developer based on the number of units. Nobody pays developers for the right to compete against everyone else, they pay for exclusive rights.
The point is that the customer HAS an option. If they don't want internet access and/or whatever else from the exclusive provider, they can buy a home elsewhere. Nobody's forcing them. It's just a marketing tactic. "This home comes with Brand X Internet/Cable/Telephone/Whatever." Take it, or leave it. I don't see the need to claim that it should never be done like that.
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vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD
1 edit | said by RJ44 :The point is that the customer HAS an option. If they don't want internet access and/or whatever else from the exclusive provider, they can buy a home elsewhere. Nobody's forcing them. It's just a marketing tactic. "This home comes with Brand X Internet/Cable/Telephone/Whatever." Take it, or leave it. I don't see the need to claim that it should never be done like that. RJ Last time I checked, when you bought a house you owned it, and everything on your property (minus taxes). You should not be forced into a busniess agreement that has nothing to do with the immediate dwelling or appearance of your home.
"This house comes with netflix" take it or leave it lol yeah right.
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mglunt
join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
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Home Owners Association.
These people own their homes too, but pay fees to keep the community looking nice, to fund a community pool, community tennis courts etc. Often times the HOA has a deal with a trash company at cheaper rates, etc. HOA's also tell people what they can and can't do to the exterior of the house... like paint it purple and pink.
There is a HOA board comprised of the Home Owners in the community as well.
Generally you find these in planned development (a ton of them around here). A Housing company will buy a multi lot piece of ground... put a bunch of houses on it, then sell the houses. (Usually they are sold before being built and the new Homeowner picks options for the house, etc). Around here, unless yuou buy your own house and hire your own contractor, a new house is going to come with an HOA.
In this case, the builder is signing deals with Cox to provide service (probably with a small discount) to all the houses to be paid for with the HOA fees. If you don't want Cox, you still have to pay the HOA fees which cover the Cox payment. So in effect, you are paying for Cox and DTV for example. |
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
2 edits | reply to vic102482
said by vic102482 :Last time I checked, when you bought a house you owned it, and everything on your property (minus taxes). And the last time I checked, when you bought a house that came with a Homeowner's Agreement, that was part of the contract you signed when you bought the house. If I don't like a contract, I generally don't sign them. I don't sign them and then go crying about the terms I just agreed to. |
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vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD
1 edit | said by RJ44 : If I don't like a contract, I generally don't sign them. I don't sign them and then go crying about the terms I just agreed to. Thats good for you:). Now to deal with whats acutally *on* those contracts as permitted by law for everyone else. The justice department has a bone to pick with them as well, or do they not know anything about contracts either?:p
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| said by vic102482 :[The justice department has a bone to pick with them as well, or do they not know anything about contracts either?:p Oh. Well if the justice department has an opinion that automatically proves they're right. Thank God we have the government there to protect people who aren't smart enough to know what the hell they want by themselves.
I'll try not to get too sarcastic here though. The fact of the matter is it's an AGREEMENT. Some people actually want it, therefore they AGREE to it. If you don't want it, don't AGREE by signing it. Why should the government give a damn? |
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vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD
1 edit | said by RJ44 :said by vic102482 :[The justice department has a bone to pick with them as well, or do they not know anything about contracts either?:p Oh. Well if the justice department has an opinion that automatically proves they're right. Thank God we have the government there to protect people who aren't smart enough to know what the hell they want by themselves. I'll try not to get too sarcastic here though. The fact of the matter is it's an AGREEMENT. Some people actually want it, therefore they AGREE to it. If you don't want it, don't AGREE by signing it. Why should the government give a damn? Same logic for you buddy: "Oh look Micorosoft made them sign a contract so it must be legal and fair".... It is because this AGREEMENT doesnt allow freedom of choice. This aint China homeboy. You should be allowed to choose where you buy your car, where you eat your food, and from whom you get your TV service. Hence investigation of ANTI TRUST in relation to this issue. No one is talking about homeowners here. You keep going back to signing an agreement when you buy the home, Im not talking about that right now. It is not because the Justice Department has an opinion that they are automatically right, it is more about freedom of choice. Because someone does something of their own power doesnt make them right. Because SBC signs a contract to provide FORCED service to a property that they do NOT own or contribute to then they are wrong. NOW comes the next step about signing the agreement between the homeowner and the company, you keep talking about the homeowner, Im talking about the practices of the SBC. FOR THE HOMEOWNER just because someone slaps some terms down on a contract doesnt make it legal. You sign a contract with billy bob authorizing you to steal his wifes car....
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You do know federal law and state law overrides any agreements that you can come up with, including companies like Verizon Microsoft and the like right? Anti trust has to do with federal law, so if the government comes back and says it is in violation (which they will because it doesnt allow a user to switch) then what is SBC going to do write up a new contract with the HOA? People often confuse the two. An agreement is exactly that, it doesnt exscuse you from obeying REAL laws and regulations.:)
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| said by vic102482 :[Same logic for you buddy: "Oh look Micorosoft made them sign a contract so it must be legal and fair".... It is because this AGREEMENT doesnt allow freedom of choice. This aint China homeboy. You should be allowed to choose where you buy your car, where you eat your food, and from whom you get your TV service. First off, I'm neither your buddy nor your "homeboy". Obviously we have a difference in philosophy here. Freedom of choice? Please describe for me how the agreements we're talking about restrict my freedom of choice. Are the developers or the service providers pointing a gun at anyone's head forcing them to buy? I have a choice, although it's a concept you seem to not be able to grasp. If I like the deal, I take it. If I don't, I walk.
I'm happy that you want the government making your choices for you. I'm sad that you seem incapable of handling the responsibility yourself. And I'm done with you dancing around the point and refusing to admit that you have a choice, so good luck with the government running your life.
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vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD
| said by RJ44 : Please describe for me how the agreements we're talking about restrict my freedom of choice. I'm happy that you want the government making your choices for you. Yup I think we are about done here.:p
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