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Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL | reply to Riss_Centaur
Re: When will SBC get naked?
Sexy. |
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
clubs: | reply to kapil
You show me the part of your tax bill that went to telephone service. |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
 ·Charter Pipeline
| reply to kapil
Eventually all ISPs will offer you what you ask for instead of what they say you want. Its just good business in the long run, telcos can't afford to not adapt to new ways of thinking.
But then again change goes only one way..customers 1st, big business 2nd, government then comes in and says they just now thought of it, time to regulate the heck out of it. If it changes any other way, something is wrong  |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to XBL2009
Ya...at one point I had FREE Northpoint DSL via Flashcom for 6 months!...they never billed me despite my repeated requests for a bill. Those were the days. I didn't have to go to the casino for excitement...I could gamble on whether my CPE will be lit with the following day
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to nunya
If part of my tax bill went towards paying for the foundation of your gorcery store building then it is fair for me to ask for a partial ownership in that building...maybe by the way of getting free bags to put groceries in or, I don't know, not charging for the use of a shopping cart.
What an absurd analogy! Phone wires and grocery store!!
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to donzellel
Measured rate service in IL is priced from $2 to $9. I have asked many people at SBC to tell me what the rate difference is based on...but no one has yet delivered on the promised return calls. I know that as long as I have had SBC/Ameritech service, I have NEVER been able to land myself in a location that qualifies for the $2 line...it's always the one that costs $9. Then there is the "federal access charge"...except that it's not Federal and not charged by the government. The taxes, the legit and the bogus ones. And, in my case, the charge for unlisting my number. The total comes out to $17 and some change.
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donzellel
join:2005-04-01
Cape Girardeau, MO
| reply to radougherty
Are you sure that you ask for a "measured line", the people at SBC don't like to talk about the measured line service but it's there just threaten to go to cable for everything and you will see it magically availiable. The price varies a little by state but you should still be able to save between $8-$10 per/month. |
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radougherty
join:1999-07-23
Austin, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to donzellel
said by donzellel  :For the people who are complaining about this naked dsl crap and paying the $17 per/month for the pots line. I'm in Southeast Missouri I pay $19.95 per/month for DSL and $6 per/month for the phone line, If you ask for a measured line from SBC they will be able to give you much cheaper local phone service. With a measured line you get unlimited incoming calls and are charged about 4 cents per/minute for all outgoing calls(which I never use). My bill is right around $30 per/month for DSL and local phone, I just don't know how much cheaper it can get. Except for paying $0.50 for a feature that allows for some local calls my local POTS line, by the time you add all the taxes is $15.89, that's as low as I can get with SBC. |
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gdm
Premium,MVM
join:2001-06-15
Mchenry, IL
clubs: | reply to drmorley
Sorry the package I was quoting showed 1 static on SE's site. I thought I remembered them offering 8 before but didn't see on the page I was looking at.
I stand corrected  . |
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donzellel
join:2005-04-01
Cape Girardeau, MO
| reply to kapil
For the people who are complaining about this naked dsl crap and paying the $17 per/month for the pots line. I'm in Southeast Missouri I pay $19.95 per/month for DSL and $6 per/month for the phone line, If you ask for a measured line from SBC they will be able to give you much cheaper local phone service. With a measured line you get unlimited incoming calls and are charged about 4 cents per/minute for all outgoing calls(which I never use). My bill is right around $30 per/month for DSL and local phone, I just don't know how much cheaper it can get. |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
Premium
join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH | reply to Riss_Centaur
LMAO which one of you sickos made that one? |
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djtim21
It's all good
Premium
join:2003-12-22
Buffalo Grove, IL
clubs: | reply to Riss_Centaur
ROFLMAO |
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Riss_Centaur
Mod'taur - - - - 4 On The Floor.
Premium,MVM,Ex-Mod 2005-07
join:2004-01-20
other
clubs:
1 edit | reply to kapil
"When will SBC get naked?"
Oh, sorry... you didn't mean something like this?
The stuff you can find in google these days...
-Riss
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drmorley
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-20
Park Ridge, IL
clubs:
1 edit | reply to gdm
Actually you get eight static IP's with that package. |
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gdm
Premium,MVM
join:2001-06-15
Mchenry, IL
clubs:
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·AT&T CallVantage
·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast
| reply to Freezone
drmorley pointed out to me first 2 months are $20 a month plus the $100 rebate for SE's 1 static package. So it is cheaper but it's still 1 static vs 5 static so not exactly apples to apples. |
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
| reply to kapil
said by kapil :said by Corona :SBC wouldn't have to sell this new network at a loss to their competitors there is real motivation to invest in the network you crave. One look at SBC's stock and SEC filings will tell you that SBC isn't selling ANYTHING at a loss. It's a myth. As you may know, SBC sells many services. If one of these services (access to CLECs) is sold at a loss, money can still be recouped on many other services (business phone lines, for example). As such, an earnings report tells us little about whether or not money is lost on one particular service.
It's fuzzy, Enron-style math. It's all about depreciating assets in a funny way where you value your 100 year old copper more than it would cost you to put fiber in.
So on the books, each loop cost you 10k, when in reality it's value has been depreciated over the years and written off many times over. Actually, I believe when it is stated that SBC sells access at a loss they are referring to the cost to service the line. The CLECs pay a flat rate. The cost of maintaining the lines and plant are on SBC, regardless of fluctuations.
Not to mention that much of the original Bell network was subsidised by tax dollars. Much of it? Which part, specifically? By much of it, did you mean none of it?
If this forced-to-sell-at-a-loss story were true, SBC would be putting up a better fight against it...like it is against muni projects, where it truly risks losing money. SBC has fought it tooth and nail in FCC hearings.
Instead, SBC HAPPILY sells loops to Covad and anyone else that asks for them Then why did they refuse to do so until the government forced them to?
Verizon is opening Fios to third party ISPs willingly To prevent the government from forcing them into an abusive price structure, no doubt, in which they are forced to sell access to their fiber network at a loss. Cut it off at the pass and you've got a leg to stand on.
If the ILECs need money that bad, perhaps they should take a second look at their unionized workforce. Techs that stop taking new tickets at 3:30 and go park a block away from their garage so they can all file in exactly at 4:00 PM quitting time. Take on the IBEW? Whew, some of your ideas are really out there! It would take a lot of scabs to wipe out the IBEW, and the network would be in severe pain in the meantime.
If you want to debate on the merits of this issue, let's go. But please don't read stuff out of SBC propaganda material. I have an extremely high degree of respect for telecom workers. Yes, you made clear what you think of their work ethic just a moment ago with that garage comment.
...because maintaining six sigma uptime is an impressive feat....you parroting your employer's line without substantiating the argument just makes me think less of you.
Why don't you start by substantiating your line that the government built "much" of the Bell network.
To all the old-time regulars: Yes, I have been lurking and it took just the right thread to bring me out.
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kruser
Premium
join:2002-06-01
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
 ·AT&T Southwest
| reply to kapil
If they can do "Dry Pairs" then they can do "Naked DSL".
I work at a country club and we have major golf tournaments.
During these golf tournaments, SBC supplies many, many dry pairs as they call them.
These lines are true no voltage lines that the user supplies voltage on for their needs.
Users such as ABC, NBC, ESPN etc..
They use them and we even have them setup in whats called a "Rain Room" in case of rain! They are unused dry lines that terminate at usually a broadcast trailer which often goes all the way to the CO and back.
I don't know facts about the claim that dry pairs will oxidize if not powered but I do know that some of the 800+ pairs that are brought in for a major tournament are still showing power years later.
The last tournament we did last year was mostly served by fiber as they did that run a few years ealier.
We still can't use the fiber for HSI but our phone service is via the fiber in the manhole so I'm told.
Naked DSL is a reality in my area of SBC as I have seen it done but getting SBC to offer it ???
We had no less than 200 aDSL lines during the last tournament and if it all came in on the same copper cable bundle then I doubt it would have worked at all.
It was mostly fibre and dry pairs from what I saw.
Heck, I run a dsl circuit across my property on a dry pair.
Using King Tuts for each end. |
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Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
1 edit | reply to gdm
said by gdm :SE's package for $99 is a dynamic IP where SBC's is 5 static. SE's 1 static is $115.95 so their is a difference still. You are right, I have been grandfathered into yet another dsl deal.
Cyberonic is cheaper. But they do not do rdns. Also the start up cost is higher. |
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lev
Napoleon is always right
Premium,Ex-mod 2002-08
join:2001-05-30
Chicago, IL
clubs:
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to kapil
I let it go for a bit.
Last mention, I think, was in the thread »Why no unbundled/naked DSL heartbeat tone?.
It usually comes up twice a month, once by someone fairly heavy.
If you notice, Corona says is most of these threads, in small letters, "it's coming".
I happen to be aware of what he does for SBC, and think he's someone who can say those words with some authority.
You may or may not like what you get when it arrives, but it is coming. Standing on a soapbox and crowing about it won't make it happen any faster.
I'm leaving the thread open so it will go away quietly. Post if you want; just don't let it be angry. |
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gdm
Premium,MVM
join:2001-06-15
Mchenry, IL
clubs: | reply to Freezone
SE's package for $99 is a dynamic IP where SBC's is 5 static. SE's 1 static is $115.95 so their is a difference still. |
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