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TeMerc

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Ding-Dong, the Wicked COAST is DEAD!!

Anti-spyware group Coast hits an iceberg

Published: April 12, 2005, 11:23 AM PDT
By Stefanie Olsen
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

An organization created to set anti-spyware standards has folded, following internal turmoil and the abrupt departures of several founding members.

The Consortium of Anti-Spyware Technology vendors, or Coast, was founded in 2003 as a nonprofit group of anti-spyware companies to help establish industry-binding guidelines defining spyware and a code of ethics surrounding the distribution of desktop software. But in February, co-founder Webroot Software dissented when, according to its vice president of research, the group sought to reform adware developers by helping them change and become certified Coast members.

Two months later, the group has been dissolved.

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mers2
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They could have been a powerful force against the spyware/malware companies but they signed their own death warrant in lowering their standards and in the end by inviting malware companies a place at the table.
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pcscdma
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good for them

Betaflye
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COAST IS TOAST!


DrStrange
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reply to TeMerc
What happened? Did someone, perchance, drop a Howes on them?

Scaramouche8

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I don't know if this is necesarily cause for celebration, but rather more of relief. COAST originally had a real mandate that could have achieved quite a lot. I'm hoping some insider publishes a definitive history so we can find out what actually happened behind closed doors.

I think for a future organization to be effective it will have to have a role in reforming 'bad' software producing entities, but that this role should not include membership for the reformed companies in the organization itself. I think the only members should be respectable anti-spyware and related security vendors who have never had an association with any known malware producer.

This potential future organization should have a certification programme like the Aluria SafeCert but the guidelines for it should be:
- Written by the founding members and not easily modified
- Visibly published everywhere to invite review of controversial certifications
- Inredibly stringent
- Should not be restricted to 'just' traditional spyware. There are a lot of programs out there that have a negative system impact that don't necessarily report your surfing habits but are just as useless and potentially dangerous.
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In the interest of full disclosure I should say that I work for FBMSoftware, makers of ZeroSpyware a spyware-removal tool. Opinions posted do not reflect my employer's unless otherwise noted.


EDIT-clarified an important point


Mephisto The Great

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180Soultions makes some of the nastiest stuff out there and gets rewarded by being admitted to COAST? and to make it worse they were no longer targetted by most antispyware apps.

I just don't understand the mentality behind this thought process at all. 180Solutions was going to be the winner no matter how this COAST mess ended up. A stupid idea implemented by morons.


Khaine

join:2003-03-03
Australia

reply to TeMerc
What we need out of the ashes of COAST is a new organisation, which will fight to rid the world of spyware, which will get anti-spyware vendors to work together in educating the masses, in tracking down and stopping this scumware. We need an organisation which will do what COAST was supposed to do.


novaflare
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said by Khaine See Profile:

What we need out of the ashes of COAST is a new organisation, which will fight to rid the world of spyware, which will get anti-spyware vendors to work together in educating the masses, in tracking down and stopping this scumware. We need an organisation which will do what COAST was supposed to do.
What we need is a groupe like coast that is decentralized. Web domains with unreachacble untraceable owners. Sort of like spyware vendors do but for anti spyware vendors. Its not hard to get a domain with out giving out real information. Email contact info with the domain name only no real postal address. No postal address no way for the spyware authors to complain no way for them to file suit etc. In other words use much the same tactics that they use.
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cacroll
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said by novaflare See Profile:

What we need is a groupe like coast that is decentralized. Web domains with unreachacble untraceable owners. Sort of like spyware vendors do but for anti spyware vendors.


Maybe similar in form to SPEWS (just avoid the mistakes that SPEWS made). See Usenet news.admin.net-abuse.email for pros and cons on SPEWS.


cacroll
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said by mers2 See Profile:

They could have been a powerful force against the spyware/malware companies but they signed their own death warrant in lowering their standards and in the end by inviting malware companies a place at the table.


Put another way, you cannot make a deal with the Devil.

Goldengamego
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reply to TeMerc
Why the hell should that kind of org deal with the spyware venders at all? Even trying to reform them is a bad idea because they won't do it. Why? Because there is to much $$$ in it for them to care.

The new COAST (if there is to be one) should not have any relations with the malware venders what so ever, also, it should avoid defining them as such and devise a standard method of targeting apps (which all the anti-* software makers would use) based on what they do (not what they are) and just call them "threats".

That way they could avoid being sued because the spyware venders would have to literally flat out lie in court and there is no way they could get any support to back up a claim of "we don't monitor *** or *****" etc.
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said by cacroll See Profile: Maybe similar in form to SPEWS (just avoid the mistakes that SPEWS made). See Usenet news.admin.net-abuse.email for pros and cons on SPEWS.


I like the SPEWS model. I assume, when you're talking about the 'cons', you mean the calculated overkill that SPEWS uses to put pressure on spam-friendly [and just plain lazy] ISPs. I don't know how this could apply to adware/spyware/$#%!ware, so it might yield more positive results when used against the purveyors of this garbage than it did when used against spammers and their friends.

I hope you're not including the flaming of spammers that was rampant on NANAE among the 'cons'. It would be fun and more than a little cathartic if we could have a chance to flame spyware makers directly.


cacroll
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said by DrStrange See Profile:

I like the SPEWS model. I assume, when you're talking about the 'cons', you mean the calculated overkill that SPEWS uses to put pressure on spam-friendly [and just plain lazy] ISPs. I don't know how this could apply to adware/spyware/$#%!ware, so it might yield more positive results when used against the purveyors of this garbage than it did when used against spammers and their friends.

I hope you're not including the flaming of spammers that was rampant on NANAE among the 'cons'. It would be fun and more than a little cathartic if we could have a chance to flame spyware makers directly.


No, I was thinking about the overkill applied by SPEWS as one of the 'cons', because that's what their critics see as justification for eliminating them.

I'm with you on the flaming bit, Doc. I would love to flame some of those assholes. Having read some of Ben's and Eric's latest writings, I might even pay for the bullets if we could shoot them (not shoot to kill, just let me fire some buckshot into one or two).


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said by cacroll See Profile:

I'm with you on the flaming bit, Doc. I would love to flame some of those assholes. Having read some of Ben's and Eric's latest writings, I might even pay for the bullets if we could shoot them (not shoot to kill, just let me fire some buckshot into one or two).
How about buckshot mixed with rock salt? Maybe you're not shooting to kill, but you can always make it hurt a lot worse [evil chuckle].
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