Matt
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Jamestown, NC | Hell Yes!
I agree.
Instead of killing Muni-Projects, work out a beneficial middle ground! |
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aztecnology
O Rly?
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Murrieta, CA | Yep. They waste more money trying to fight it, they could have wired everyone with all that cash... |
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ashakouri1
join:2002-08-23
Santa Monica, CA | reply to Matt
yeah but you there is going to be some idiot or some senior citizen that doesn't know anything about computers or could care less about the internet and is going to complain about tax dollars being spent on a muni-project. |
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damox
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| That's why these broadband ventures launched by municipalities should be required to be self supporting! The ones that I am aware of, are already such!
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damox
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Olympia, WA
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| reply to Matt
A resounding YES! I absolutely agree! Municipalities should be encouraged in this regard. We obviously cannot trust the broadband industry to offer us the best product for the best price! Each municipality is different of course. In some communities the commercial broadband offerings are sufficient for the needs of the community, but in others they are sorely lacking.
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2kmaro
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The heck of it is that it takes (wasted) taxpayer dollars to even begin to fight off the Big Bad Wolves. But it's not all that bad because it seems typical that the municipalities are only able to come up with a few thousand dollars to tout the PRO side of it while the large businesses spend tens or hundreds of thousands telling how cruel a punishment it would be on the citizens.
If it's true that it takes money to make money then the cableco's and telco's should do well, because they sure have the deep pockets necessary to protect their future interests. |
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wherethemoneygoes
@optonline.net | reply to Matt
the more energy and re$ouce$ the $pend on fighting muni project$ the le$$ they have to $pend on upgrade$
A vi$ciou$ cycle |
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
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I don't have any kids, but my complaining of tax dollars being spent on education tend to not make a difference. I wonder why this one does. Must be people more rich than I doing the bitching.
We are all one big happy tax family. Everyone has to pay for everything. Unless its something cool for us, then it never seems to work out. |
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mocycler
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Naperville, IL
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1 edit | reply to Matt
I normally would not have a problem with an article like this, even if I do disagree with it.
What really yanks me is that it's ol' Karl again, in his tired, beaten-beyond-death Bell-bashin' and passing off editorials as "News".
Sorry, but I fail to see the slightest shred of "news" in this. Furthermore, I love the bit about "this is what we believe to be the top ten broadband gripes." Translation: We did no valid market survey and there is no factual information here. We're just making this crap up.
But I digress. The last thing we need is another do-nothing, lazy, inefficient government operation.
If the muni supporters think this is such a winner of an idea, they are certainly free to invest their private money and go at it. Talk is cheap when you're dipping into someone else's wallet.
Peace,
mocycler |
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
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I wouldn't say they wasted money trying to fight it.
Let's apply a little business sense to this. What is the better choice if you're a business owner?
Spending a ton of money to rewire current customers and wire those that didn't have it, only to have half of them switch to the muni's offer. Then, as a kick in the nuts, be forced to let the muni use YOUR wiring to serve the customers they stole from you.
Or spend that money killing the muni, ensuring that you retain your current customers and you get all the future customers.
When you apply simply business sense they did the most monetarily sound thing. Self preservation and killing off any competition. While that's not good for us, we're not running the business.
And by the looks of most opinion, that's a good thing.
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djrobx
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2 edits | reply to mocycler
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What really yanks me is that it's ol' Karl again, in his tired, beaten-beyond-death Bell-bashin' and passing off editorials as "News".
If you're tired of Karl's opinion you should probably stop reading the front page of this site. As you pointed out in your own quote, BBR has made it very clear that this is an opinion piece. Feel free to invest your private money in a broadband "all news, no opinions" site and go at it if you don't like it.
Perhaps BBR could benefit from some additional writers and viewpoints, but I think your slams against Karl are undeserved.
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Karl Bode
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2 edits | reply to Wills
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Spending a ton of money to rewire current customers and wire those that didn't have it, only to have half of them switch to the muni's offer. Then, as a kick in the nuts, be forced to let the muni use YOUR wiring to serve the customers they stole from you.
That's called competition. It's a good thing.
A King could be a good king. Or he could slaughter the children of his competitors in the hope of extending his reign. The latter might be more effective; but subjects probably shouldn't stand about applauding the decision if they value quality living. |
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Karl Bode
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4 edits | reply to djrobx
It's ok.
I write about a myriad of things here. P2p apps, MPAA crusades, spyware, cable industry price-gouging and bandwidth caps, scams, privacy laws, the FCC, DRM issues, Linksys custom firmware, cable-modem uncapping, app specific bandwidth throttling, UN Internet control, port-blocking, etc.
If you watch closely, the only time I get personal shots fired at me is when I criticize bell political policy. It's a fanboy thing. |
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kasperkpc7
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1 edit | reply to Matt
Compete or fall behind. Companies like Qwest who tell cities like Salt Lake that they can't join the UTOPIA muni connection or else there will be job losses make me sick, not everyone will have access to it or even know about it. Qwest could always offer their "services" over the UTOPIA (or similar) connections like a couple other services I know of like AOL. Qwest needs to show some value in their services, and internet is not their only moneymaker...so I do not feel bad for them. |
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mocycler
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said by djrobx  : If you're tired of Karl's opinion you should probably stop reading the front page of this site. As you pointed out in your own quote, BBR has made it very clear that this is an opinion piece....I think your slams against Karl are undeserved. So I should not express an opinion unless it follows party lines?
BBR made nothing clear. They file the article in the news section and then admit they are merely speculating and commenting on what they believe to be true.
So which way is it? Is it verified, factual news; or is it some guy expressing his personal thoughts?
I've had many intelligent discussions with Karl, and we simply have an honest disagreement. Nothing nasty or disrespectful. If you characterize that as "slamming" then you really need to get a backbone.
I'm standing on my original post and take back nothing. Karl is an excellent commentator and editorialist, but a terrible reporter.
And I still think muni broadband is a dumb, socialist concept.
Peace,
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Matt
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Perhaps you missed this part of the front page at BBr: »/
Here, I've attached an image and a definition for you. |
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
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A good king doesn't make money in today's business world. And competition isn't good for someone running a business. It makes them lower their prices and cut overhead.
Like I said, this isn't good for us as consumers, but we're not running the company.
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dilettante
join:2002-01-01
Haslett, MI | So what's the point? March right into those slave ships because it's good for somebody's business.
All Hail the Great God of Unchecked Capitalism! |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | reply to mocycler
Yes and if he told you what you wanted to hear - namely that muni broadband is evil and ma bell should be given free reign to do whatever they like - you'd be praising his name instead of insulting him. Give it a rest. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
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Municipal broadband was created by the broadband industry. It is your lack of deployment, poor service, and spotty coverage that has pushed this nation's towns and cities toward exploring alternative connectivity options
Yup, that's the whole point. If you don't want to deploy, and the people do (through their democratically elected officials), shut up and get out of our way. |
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