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secotton

join:2005-03-30
North York, ON

Re: E-mail taking a dump?

I've moved now to gmail for the SMTP of choice. And yes - gmail does use port 465 for SSL smtp.

Also - doesn't the SMTP server take care of both the incoming / outgoing emails? I think it is just that it sends the incoming emails into the little holding place for us to actually recieve the emails. I'm pretty sure this is how it works - so that would explain why emails don't go out and come in properly.
permalink · 2005-03-30 16:37:47 · Reply to this
f1ipmode

join:2004-04-05
Scarborough, ON

Re: E-mail taking a dump?

No SMTP doesn't take care of incoming email.
permalink · 2005-03-30 18:01:38 · Reply to this
secotton

join:2005-03-30
North York, ON

Re: E-mail taking a dump?

I thought what I've learned with email and sendmail stuff, is that when an email is sent, it goes to your local SMTP server. From there, if it's a local domain, it gets passed the the POP3 server, and if it's a remote address, it hands it to the remote SMTP server. This is when the SMTP server passes it to the POP3 mail server again.

sending email client --> SMTP --> SMTP --> POP3 --> recv. email client

Maybe I'm wrong on this one - but in some way - the SMTP server does handle both incoming and outgoing emails. It could be that it's a different server, and in this case - it too seems to be having difficulties with processing email at the moment.
permalink · 2005-03-30 18:29:53 · Print · Reply to this
f1ipmode

join:2004-04-05
Scarborough, ON

Re: E-mail taking a dump?

nope wrong again.;)
permalink · 2005-03-30 18:49:11 · Reply to this

Doci
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·Bell Sympatico

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Re: E-mail taking a dump?

said by f1ipmode See Profile:

nope wrong again.;)
What do you think are those MX record entry servers? They're SMTP. Just so you don't know, MX=Mail Exchange.

Somebody outside of sympatico networks, could you try telnetting into one of those on port 25?
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permalink · 2005-03-30 18:58:00 · Reply to this
secotton

join:2005-03-30
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Re: E-mail taking a dump?

said by Doci See Profile:

said by f1ipmode See Profile:

nope wrong again.;)
What do you think are those MX record entry servers? They're SMTP. Just so you don't know, MX=Mail Exchange.

Somebody outside of sympatico networks, could you try telnetting into one of those on port 25?
From outside Sympatico network:
toip5 - works fine.
toip8 / 4 - it just sits at Trying IP_ADDRESS
rest of them - they just say 'Connection refused'
permalink · 2005-03-30 19:12:38 · Print · Reply to this

Doci
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join:2003-02-01

Re: E-mail taking a dump?

There's your problem right there. Their SMTP answering for their domain are royally fucked and they're shifting the blame over to MSN. How convenient of them.
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My freedom is a debt to Hitler.
permalink · 2005-03-30 19:16:52 · Reply to this

whatever8
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Re: E-mail taking a dump?

said by Doci See Profile:

There's your problem right there. Their SMTP answering for their domain are royally fucked and they're shifting the blame over to MSN. How convenient of them.
Actually, there are issues currently on both platform servers.
There is no blame-shifting undergo.
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permalink · 2005-03-31 03:28:45 · Reply to this

Doci
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Re: E-mail taking a dump?

said by whatever8 See Profile:

Actually, there are issues currently on both platform servers.
There is no blame-shifting undergo.
Are you that naive? Go read what we've said so for, email is accepted by Nexxia SMTPs, then it is forwarded to MSN ones. So, if the front line ones' are dead, why does it matter that MSN ones are too?
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permalink · 2005-03-31 05:53:06 · Print · Reply to this

whatever8
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Re: E-mail taking a dump?

said by Doci See Profile:

Are you that naive? So, if the front line ones' are dead, why does it matter that MSN ones are too?
Again, there are two issues at hand here affecting email. I'm not sure what it has to do with naivete.
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permalink · 2005-03-31 10:47:11 · Reply to this

Doci
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Re: E-mail taking a dump?

Could somebody give this guy a run through the cluefield?
Current email issues have nothing to do with MSN. Nexxia MXs(SMTPs) are taking a dump, just like bbuchanan reiterated.
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permalink · 2005-03-31 12:03:13 · Reply to this

whatever8
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Re: E-mail taking a dump?

said by Doci See Profile:

Could somebody give this guy a run through the cluefield? Current email issues have nothing to do with MSN. Nexxia MXs(SMTPs) are taking a dump, just like bbuchanan reiterated.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to be rude in your comments. Nevertheless, we are both correct. Yes, the nexxia servers have taken a dump. And yes, there ARE msn email issues on the go. BOTH are causing numerous headaches at this time.
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i\am/canadian
permalink · 2005-04-01 14:50:38 · Print · Reply to this

noneoneinparticular

@simianscience.com

 They are hosed (at least from the application layer) from inside and outside their network.

> telnet toip1.bellnexxia.net smtp
Trying 209.226.175.84...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
> telnet toip2.bellnexxia.net smtp
Trying 209.226.175.85...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
> telnet toip3.bellnexxia.net smtp
Trying 209.226.175.86...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
> telnet toip4.bellnexxia.net smtp
Trying 209.226.175.87...
Connected to toip4.bellnexxia.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
421 #4.4.5 Too many connections to this host.
Connection closed by foreign host.
> telnet toip5.bellnexxia.net smtp
Trying 209.226.175.88...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
> telnet toip6.bellnexxia.net smtp
Trying 209.226.175.174...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
> telnet toip7.bellnexxia.net smtp
Trying 209.226.175.175...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
>

> traceroute to 209.226.175.175 (209.226.175.175), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 cn-rte2-artsnet.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.42.1) 1.275 ms 1.210 ms 1.223 ms
2 cn-rtext.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.10.3) 0.698 ms 0.336 ms 0.353 ms
3 f0-16.na02.b011027-0.yyz01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.112.15.77) 4.724 ms 5.050 ms 5.090 ms
4 g2-0-2.core01.yyz01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.112.35.21) 6.014 ms 5.511 ms 5.342 ms
5 p13-0.core02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.213) 18.685 ms 18.991 ms 19.059 ms
6 p15-0.core01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.61) 20.827 ms 173.352 ms 128.984 ms
7 bellnexxia.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.30) 19.956 ms 19.736 ms 18.924 ms
8 core2-chicago23-pos0-3.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.103.126) 116.094 ms 211.254 ms 230.663 ms
9 core3-toronto63-pos6-3.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.103.113) 29.851 ms 29.928 ms 29.540 ms
10 core2-torontodc-pos3-0.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.98.250) 30.036 ms 30.406 ms 30.020 ms
11 dis4-torontodc-Vlan82.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.104.30) 30.770 ms 29.968 ms 29.807 ms
12 * * *

% traceroute 209.226.175.175
traceroute to 209.226.175.175 (209.226.175.175), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 HSE-Montreal-ppp109023.qc.sympatico.ca (64.230.199.2) 9.572 ms 6.918 ms 7.807 ms
2 dis47-toronto63-Vlan150.in.bellnexxia.net (64.230.232.177) 5.845 ms 5.538 ms 5.604 ms
3 HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp98328.qc.sympatico.ca (64.230.220.229) 5.612 ms 5.727 ms 5.855 ms
4 core3-toronto63-pos0-0.in.bellnexxia.net (64.230.242.109) 6.587 ms 5.593 ms 6.321 ms
5 core2-torontodc-pos3-0.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.98.250) 5.838 ms 6.035 ms 6.073 ms
6 dis4-torontodc-Vlan82.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.104.30) 6.452 ms 6.073 ms 6.334 ms
7 * * *
8 * * *
9 * * *
permalink · 2005-03-30 20:12:52 · Print · Reply to this

Doci
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