Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| I love this quote...
quote:
McClure believes that operators have the right to dictate what types of traffic flow in and out of their networks. “Some people have the idea that if you go out and invest and build technology somehow you should just give it away to anybody who wants it,” McClure says.
Yes, those crazy customers paying you for bandwidth and then expecting their VoIP service to work - damn them. |
|
Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
| Or how about this quote:
If they decide to block VOIP, so be it; consumers will vote with their feet. The problem with that is that many consumers don't have a choice of broadband providers. For many, there is only one provider, maybe two. That doesn't give them much room to "vote with their feet." (Going back to dial-up isn't a viable alternative to broadband if your goal is to get VoIP to work properly.)
--
-Jason Levine
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/
http://www.PCQandA.com/
http://www.urateit.com/ |
|
Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| reply to Karl Bode
And I loved this quote:said by the article:
Consumer VOIP providers such as Vonage make money by delivering their service over the last-mile networks of ISPs. ISPs do not share in that wealth. How is VOIP different from any other kind of pay service, such as streaming DI.FM music (monthly subscription), a porno site (monthly subscription), or online gaming (monthly subscription). In none of these cases does the ISP get a cut of anything other than what they charge for the circuit (monthly subscription).
This seems like really unprincipled reasoning to me.
Steve
--
Stephen J. Friedl • Unix Wizard • Microsoft Security MVP • Tustin, California USA • my web site |
|
RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Karl Bode
I don't agree with port blocking or traffic filtering in general, but at least Clearwire put it in the material provided to customers, upfront. Seems that anyone truly "expecting their VoIP service to work" would seek an alternate provider which didn't have foolish terms of service such as "without limitation, block and allow traffic types as we see fit at any time." |
|
DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | reply to Steve
It's not any different...not even in the most hair-splitting way.
--
] :: my trivial ramblings :: [ |
|
ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| reply to Karl Bode
ISP == Internet Service Provider. As to what 'services' are provided is at the discretion of the ISP, no? As a customer and consumer you can take their version of a service offering or shove it. But that is exactly how many ISPs feel, and to a certain extent I agree. |
|
bradleym
join:2002-08-05
Dunfermline, IL | reply to Karl Bode
The most absurd thing about that quote is the 'give it away' as if we're not actually PAYING for this 'service' that they invested in and built. This McClure guy is a lunatic. |
|
Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs:
| reply to Jason Levine
You know, I got Vonage to work on dial up once. Two modems shotgunned with internet sharing. It sounded like crap and was more proof of concept than utility. Still, was kind of interesting.  |
|
xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
clubs:  | reply to Steve
DI still offers free service...I don't use them, but I know they are there.
--
4 More years and we won't have a country. |
|
Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to Steve
Your reasoning is correct...
If they are upset about this then they can apply this same stupid logic to anything that requires a fee over the internet.
They can demand %'s of Ad income, order profits, monthly subscription fees, or even 1 time subscription fees to anything and everything that charges one on the internet.
Which simply shows the flaw in these greedy bastards logic. |
|
Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| reply to xrobertcmx
Re: I love this quote...
said by xrobertcmx  :DI still offers free service... They won't for long if nobody pays: I pay.
--
Stephen J. Friedl • Unix Wizard • Microsoft Security MVP • Tustin, California USA • my web site |
|
jaxdomino
join:2001-12-01
Jacksonville, FL
| reply to ColdFiltered
The 'service' in Internet Service Provider' refers to the fact that they provide INTERNET access, nothing else! so you are wrong and so are they.
I am a perfect example of Clearwire blocking VoIP. I am a Lingo customer and I switched my BellSouth number over to Lingo last week 3/25/05. Well BellSouth turned off my telephone AND DSL! No problem. I borrowed my mom's Clearwire receiver and hooked it up at my house. Go figure, no VoIP. Lingo had no clue as to why it wasn't working. Called BellSouth Monday asked for my number back from Lingo, they told me it would be 14 days! Called Comcast the same day and Tuesday 3/29, I was surfing and talking. Point being, I would have stuck with Clearwire and became a customer, since I got great signal strength in my house and it was ok speed-wise. Because they block VoIP, screw them and I'm sure once enough people get wind of this, they'll walk also. If they have a choice as I did. For a company not even a year old, they are taking a big gamble. I wouldn't invest them. |
|
xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
clubs: | reply to Steve
3 month Gold subscriber myself. |
|
Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
| reply to Steve
This just in: The phone company has realized they aren't sharing in the wealth produced by calls to the Home Shopping Network. Therefore, Verizon is now blocking all calls to HSN. Luckily, you can still call the Verizon Shopping Network to buy similar items at a similar price.
All joking aside, I think the only reason that the ISPs are targeting VoIP is that they want to leave open the possibility of rolling out their own VoIP solution and don't want any pesky competition should they decide to do so.
--
-Jason Levine
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/
http://www.PCQandA.com/
http://www.urateit.com/ |
|
Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
1 edit | Considering the Darwinian bloodshed that's going to occur as 8 million VoIP providers try to flood the market over the next three years, I really don't think incumbent providers (in this case Bell Canada in concert with Clearwire) have much to worry about.
They (MSO's, bells) own the government, and the government will ensure they dominate smaller independent carriers. Users will get VoIP from the same company they're getting TV/broadband from, anyway - which thanks to government will be the incumbents. There won't be a need to block competing services. |
|
ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| reply to Karl Bode
I say we endure a national cancel your broadband service month. Let's say come June 1st eveyone in USA cancels their broadband service and see where it get's you.
Oh, I bet the majority won't do it as its easier for them to live in bondage then fight for freedom. LOL |
|
bmn
? ? ?
Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| reply to Steve
said by Steve :They won't for long if nobody pays: I pay. Good choice in music...
--
64 bit CPUs and OSes? That's so 1996.
Since the dawn of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun. -CM Burns |
|
EFudd
Premium
join:2001-09-08
Brownsville, OH
| reply to Karl Bode
Heres another quote from the article:
“As much as I want to see VOIP survive and thrive, I also don't want to bear the additional cost of my customers choosing to use a competitor's VOIP service over my own,” says Greg Boehnlein, who operates Cleveland, Ohio-based ISP N2Net.
“Without control of the last mile, we're screwed,” Boehnlein says, “which is why I can identify with Clearwire's decision and say ‘more power to them’.”
Talk about greedy control freaks. I hope they go under. This kind of thing wouldn't be happening at all if we had true competition in broadband they way we had it with dial-up.
BTW- anyone notice a bug thats popped up twice in our responses? I believe its called coldwater or filteredcold or some such thing. I've managed to shoo the pest away both times though. Looks like the rest of you have had shoo the thing away as well..... 
--
Do you SetiAtHome | As you place limits and controls on me, you place them on yourselves. |
|
meathismoms
@24.48.x.x
| reply to jaxdomino
"The 'service' in Internet Service Provider' refers to the fact that they provide INTERNET access, nothing else! so you are wrong and so are they.
"
I'll leave open dhcp, dns and 80 for your browser. You can still browse the ' internet ' , you have access.
I guess it depends on what the ToS states. |
|
CaptSternn
Sternn Heavy Industries
join:2002-05-24
Overland Park, KS | The Internet is more than just "web surfing". What you describe is a Web Service Provider. Sounds like a pretty limited business model to me. |
|
