oliphant
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LOL, yeah..."Hot UN Peacekeeper action"...with the recent flood accusations of sexual attrocities perpetrated by UN Peacekeepers in the Congo they have tons of adult material.
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kapil
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| UN does not have its own military...soldiers are borrowed from member nations. There are good apples and bad ones in every group. We don't contribute to US peacekeeping missions...yet our soldiers manage to misbehave anyway. Or did you forget Abu Ghraib?
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AthlGrond
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| said by kapil  :...yet our soldiers manage to misbehave anyway. Or did you forget Abu Ghraib? The primary difference is that we will put our troops on trial and punish the guilty ones.
Who is it that will protect people from rogue UN peace keepers? No one in the UN it would appear.
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kapil
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| Actually, in the recent incident, to which apparently Oliphant is referring to, the home nation of the offending soldiers DID recall the soldiders in question and court martial them.
Then there's the U.S.....which won't join the ICJ because we don't want our soldiers to be held to the standards that the rest of the world has agreed to.
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AthlGrond
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| said by kapil :Actually, in the recent incident, to which apparently Oliphant is referring to, the home nation of the offending soldiers DID recall the soldiders in question and court martial them. Then there's the U.S.....which won't join the ICJ because we don't want our soldiers to be held to the standards that the rest of the world has agreed to. LOL
We would be one of the few countries that would actually obey the ICJ if we were to agree to it. I'm sure that wouldn't bother you though. 
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kapil
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Chicago, IL | Nope. Once again...we decided not to join ratify the ICJ. The rest of the world already abides by the rules.
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xrobertcmx
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The ICJ actually seems like a good idea in many respects. We however do not like the idea that there is any higher authority and that we could be held accountable for our actions.
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AthlGrond
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| said by xrobertcmx :The ICJ actually seems like a good idea in many respects. We however do not like the idea that there is any higher authority and that we could be held accountable for our actions. I agree in principle that it does seem like a good idea. I also know that it would be used as a political tool against the US.
I'm also sure I'm not the only one who thinks that. 
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baylorguy
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said by AthlGrond :said by kapil :We would be one of the few countries that would actually obey the ICJ if we were to agree to it. I'm sure that wouldn't bother you though. Yeah, kind of like when we pulled out of the World Court after a decision against us in 1983 over Nicaragua. The only reason we haven't had a torrential amount of security council resolutions against us is because we have veto power. We are the warmongering country, when are Americans going to realize that. We want to create an international system of governance, and a community of nations but we act like it is the United States of Earth and we get to subject every other state to do our bidding. We are not always going to be the big kid on the block and we should treat other countries the way we want to be treated when we aren't so high on the totem poll. |
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| Kapil didn't say that, type your comments outside of the quote please.
Perhaps it is just ME, but it is my opinion that almost every other country willing to use things like the world court or the ICJ as political tools against us are jealous of the US and have no solid reason for the actions they would (have) take.
The US doesn't join those because there's nothing preventing people from inappropriately using those against us.
I think ICANN does a fine job the way it is, and there's no purpose for moving it to the ITU. |
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AthlGrond
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| said by Tsume :I think ICANN does a fine job the way it is, and there's no purpose for moving it to the ITU. There certainly hasn't been one put forth in this thread anyway. (Despite plenty of opportunity to provide even just one reason.)
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kapil
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| You need a reason, do you? How's this.
How about making a statement to the entire world that regardless of all the bad press we get because of the village idiot from Texas and his posse, we are a fair minded people. And we as a people value cooperation, global thinking, a multilateral and pluralistic approach to solving the world's problems and that we are capable of thinking about what is in the best interests of humanity not just Americans.
How about making a statement, however symbolic, that the one remaining superpower hasn't given up on those less fortunate than us...and that today we share with the rest of the world the awesome responsibility of managing a tool, a technology that has caused a paradigm shift in the way people talk to each other, the way we reach out and touch one another, the way we learn, gather information, get news about our greatest victories and our most tragic tragedies. And because we're so open minded about sharing our greatest gift to humanity - the internet - there is hope yet and perhaps that we, all of us together, can also overcome other petty problems of humanity like the AIDS crisis, poverty, hungry children, illiteracy and disease.
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kapil
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If there is one nation that is guilty of using the U.N. to meet its own domestic political ends, it's the U.S. We think the UN is there to serve us...we don't treat it as an international forum where the world cimmunity gathers to share ideas, resolve disputes and make a better tomorrow.
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kapil
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So the rest of the world is out to get us? You're telling me that the standard estalished by the ICJ that is good enough for every other soldier in the world is not good enough for Chucky Graner? We don't want Abu-Ghraib style antics by our soldiers to warrant punishment...and that is why we didn't ratify the ICJ.
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AthlGrond
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I think I can safely stop waiting for a reason why ICANN would be better replaced by ITU/UN at this point, since it's clear you're unaware of any.
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