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| Re: Yeah... said by oliphant  :We really need the internet managed like they did the oil for food program and their operations in the Congo. Seriously, why is everyone so eager to pass the buck to an agency as incompetent and corrupt as the UN?
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| Re: Yeah... said by Nerdtalker :Seriously, why is everyone so eager to pass the buck to an agency as incompetent and corrupt as the UN? It's only certain countries, primarily those who would like to hobble the US economy.
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| Re: Yeah... We invented it...its ours. where do they get the authority? if they want a world one why dont they just make a new one? See how many people switch over..
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| said by AthlGrond :said by Nerdtalker :Seriously, why is everyone so eager to pass the buck to an agency as incompetent and corrupt as the UN? It's only certain countries, primarily those who would like to hobble the US economy. Yeah like the French government, Who thinks they are a super power.  The French have been at odds with US since the End of WWI and for their greedy stupidity They had to be rescued and for some they aren't too great full. Others there are great full that They were liberated of course. The French Government is an Ally in name only as they withdrew from the Military part of NATO back in the 50's or 60's, They are however part of the Political part though for all the good that does, But then It shows that the French can't be counted on in an emergency.
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| said by Nerdtalker :Seriously, why is everyone so eager to pass the buck to an agency as incompetent and corrupt as the UN?
While I agree 100% that the UN has become a corrupt, useless organization, it should be noted that the ITU predates the U.N. by almost a century (see » www.itu.int/aboutitu/overview/history.html ). While it is part of the UN now, it was an independent entity and continues to do a pretty good job regulating radio as well as international calling. Granted we need another bureaucracy looking over the internet like we need a packet storm but seeing where things are headed with ICANN I can't help but wonder if a change might be good. It should also be noted that the Universal Postal Union is another one of those UN agencies that predates the UN (see » www.upu.int/about_us/en/glance.html - found in 1874). They too do a pretty good job and I have yet to hear any complaints about international mail. --
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| Re: Yeah... said by n2jtx :Granted we need another bureaucracy looking over the internet like we need a packet storm but seeing where things are headed with ICANN I can't help but wonder if a change might be good. My complaints about international mail can wait, will you explain what you see wrong with ICANN that the UN would be a fix for?
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| Re: Yeah... said by kapil :ICANN is incompetent. And the UN isn't?
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| Re: Yeah... No. The UN does a fair amount of good. You are confusing the UN with the Security Council. The SC is just one of the UN bodies. The proposal is to let the ITU manage the Internet. The ITU is another UN body but it predates the UN and does a fantastic job of managing the telecom interconnections and standards between nations. Without the ITU you'd be limited to calling NANPA member countries with your telephone.
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| Re: Yeah... I won't stipulate that a big long standing bureaucracy is better without some convincing.
So, what aspect of managing the internet would the ITU do better than ICANN? And what would it do worse? (In your opinion.)
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| Re: Yeah... If you knew the history of ICANN and the history of the ITU, you wouldn't ask me that question.
The management of ITU is infintely better than that of ICANN. I won't do your work for you...go do some googling and come back with why you think the ITU ISN'T a better choice and I will do my best to convince you otherwise.
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| Re: Yeah... said by kapil :If you knew the history of ICANN and the history of the ITU, you wouldn't ask me that question. The management of ITU is infintely better than that of ICANN. I won't do your work for you...go do some googling and come back with why you think the ITU ISN'T a better choice and I will do my best to convince you otherwise. Too bad, in the absence of a stated reason I'll have to assume you don't have real one.
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| Re: Yeah... I do. But I am not going to give you a position and then defend the counter-position. Tell me why you think the ITU is a bad choice and we can debate. I am not going to do your research for you. ...or was your claim based on redneck "patriotism" and not logical reasoning?
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| Re: Yeah... said by kapil :I do. But I am not going to give you a position and then defend the counter-position. Tell me why you think the ITU is a bad choice and we can debate. I am not going to do your research for you. ...or was your claim based on redneck "patriotism" and not logical reasoning? You are the one wanting to change things, it's in your court to explain why.
The current situation requires little defense since the Internet does appear to be working. (Last I checked anyway.)
Which is more reasonable? The person who wants to change things without any stated reason, or the person who wants a continuation of a functioning Internet?
I know which one I'm in favor of, but feel free to convince me that I'm wrong. (Hint: I won't find yelling "You're wrong!" convincing.)
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| Re: Yeah... Once again, spend some time researching ICANN. Join some of the mailing lists, volunteer on some of the committees. The only reason the Internet hasn't crumbled under ICANN is because of its distributed architecture and because the "geeks" still have a fair amount of say in how the underlying nuts and bolts of the internet work. No thanks to ICANN or the US Department of Commerce.
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AthlGrond
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Aurora, CO | Re: Yeah... So what is going to change that will cause the crumbling?
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AthlGrond
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Aurora, CO | Re: Yeah... The silence is all the reply anyone here needs. There isn't a single compelling reason to move from ICANN to the ITU/UN.
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1 edit | Re: Yeah... Calling a redneck a redneck isn't racism. Besides "redneck" isn't a race. And please tell me how the "rural whites" have been wronged oh so gravely by racist attitudes that we must now be politically correct about addressing inbred fools who will have you believe that there is only one country on this planet and it can do no wrong. Tell me why "God Bless America"...why the hell not "God Bless Everyone"? | |
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| Re: Yeah... "Redneck", as defined by Dictionary.com is:
"Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States."
Racism, as defined by dictionary.com is:
"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others"
When you use the term redneck as you do, you are implying that people, who are part of the "white,rural laboring class" are somehow inferior to yourself because of their inclusion in that group. It fits the definition to a tee. You may not like it, but it sure sounds like you believe you are somehow better than the folks you call "rednecks", making you at least SOUND racist.
As far as white rural working class folks being oppressed, nowhere did I see in the definition of racism the word oppression. Someone can be a racist without oppressing any given race or group.
Someone doesn't have to be a member of a "minority" group to be the victim of racism. Conversely, just because someone is a member of a "minority" group, does not make them the automatic victim of racism.
As far as being politically correct, who the hell are you to determine who deserves to be treated with dignity and respect? You say "God bless everyone" in your post, while you essentially say everyone who fits within the definition of a "redneck" deserves to be cast aside, as though their opinions count for not.
You, sir, with all due respect, are one of the most bigoted sounding people I've ever encountered in any discussions here. I hope you can find a place in the world for us rural working class white folks. I never oppressed anyone, and am a second generation immigrant. I'm the first person in my family to ever graduate from college. But you judge me not by the content of my character, but by the fact that I'm White, rural and working class.
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Corona, CA | Re: Yeah... That would require him to be intellectually honest for once.
Not gonna happen.
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