kapil
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Re: Yeah...
I do. But I am not going to give you a position and then defend the counter-position. Tell me why you think the ITU is a bad choice and we can debate. I am not going to do your research for you. ...or was your claim based on redneck "patriotism" and not logical reasoning?
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AthlGrond
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said by kapil  :Actually, in the recent incident, to which apparently Oliphant is referring to, the home nation of the offending soldiers DID recall the soldiders in question and court martial them. Then there's the U.S.....which won't join the ICJ because we don't want our soldiers to be held to the standards that the rest of the world has agreed to. LOL
We would be one of the few countries that would actually obey the ICJ if we were to agree to it. I'm sure that wouldn't bother you though. 
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kapil
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Chicago, IL | Nope. Once again...we decided not to join ratify the ICJ. The rest of the world already abides by the rules.
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xrobertcmx
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The ICJ actually seems like a good idea in many respects. We however do not like the idea that there is any higher authority and that we could be held accountable for our actions.
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AthlGrond
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said by kapil :I do. But I am not going to give you a position and then defend the counter-position. Tell me why you think the ITU is a bad choice and we can debate. I am not going to do your research for you. ...or was your claim based on redneck "patriotism" and not logical reasoning? You are the one wanting to change things, it's in your court to explain why.
The current situation requires little defense since the Internet does appear to be working. (Last I checked anyway.)
Which is more reasonable? The person who wants to change things without any stated reason, or the person who wants a continuation of a functioning Internet?
I know which one I'm in favor of, but feel free to convince me that I'm wrong. (Hint: I won't find yelling "You're wrong!" convincing.)
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kapil
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| Once again, spend some time researching ICANN. Join some of the mailing lists, volunteer on some of the committees. The only reason the Internet hasn't crumbled under ICANN is because of its distributed architecture and because the "geeks" still have a fair amount of say in how the underlying nuts and bolts of the internet work. No thanks to ICANN or the US Department of Commerce.
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AthlGrond
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said by xrobertcmx :The ICJ actually seems like a good idea in many respects. We however do not like the idea that there is any higher authority and that we could be held accountable for our actions. I agree in principle that it does seem like a good idea. I also know that it would be used as a political tool against the US.
I'm also sure I'm not the only one who thinks that. 
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AthlGrond
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So what is going to change that will cause the crumbling?
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Descent
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We invented it...its ours. where do they get the authority? if they want a world one why dont they just make a new one? See how many people switch over..
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oliphant
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And the troll of the week award goes to Kapil. |
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Kearnstd
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if the UN had control they would start wanting to control whats on the internet. also atm there are core DNS servers that are US located and if the UN took over the DNS core would probally end up being relocated and you cant just move the most important DNS without taking the net offline.
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baylorguy
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said by AthlGrond :said by kapil :We would be one of the few countries that would actually obey the ICJ if we were to agree to it. I'm sure that wouldn't bother you though. Yeah, kind of like when we pulled out of the World Court after a decision against us in 1983 over Nicaragua. The only reason we haven't had a torrential amount of security council resolutions against us is because we have veto power. We are the warmongering country, when are Americans going to realize that. We want to create an international system of governance, and a community of nations but we act like it is the United States of Earth and we get to subject every other state to do our bidding. We are not always going to be the big kid on the block and we should treat other countries the way we want to be treated when we aren't so high on the totem poll. |
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kapil
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Chicago, IL | reply to Kearnstd
There is no "core" ...they are called the root servers...and they are already spread all over the world.
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N3OGH
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Redneck patriotism???
Why is it anytime anyone defends something as it is done in this country, someone has to attribute it to "redneck patriotism"?
Please keep your RACIST comments to yourself. And by RACIST, I mean implying that all white folks from rural areas are rednecks, because the last time I looked, no one other that rural whites were referred to as such.
It really is disgusting.... |
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N3OGH
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Oh, so now all the white rednecks are inbred.
How disgustingly racist you sound... |
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Damon85
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I think it's time for somebody to go live in Europe if they don't like the U.S. so much...
I don't like Bush either, but I think there's a limit you passed up about three feet back throwing useless insults around. |
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Tsume
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Kapil didn't say that, type your comments outside of the quote please.
Perhaps it is just ME, but it is my opinion that almost every other country willing to use things like the world court or the ICJ as political tools against us are jealous of the US and have no solid reason for the actions they would (have) take.
The US doesn't join those because there's nothing preventing people from inappropriately using those against us.
I think ICANN does a fine job the way it is, and there's no purpose for moving it to the ITU. |
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macaholic
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Jackson Heights, NY | reply to Nerdtalker
well I think better the UN than Verizon...aka the private interests that really run our country.
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rtcpenguin
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said by N3OGH :Oh, so now all the white rednecks are inbred. How disgustingly racist you sound... Technically, rednecks aren't a race.
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AthlGrond
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said by Tsume :I think ICANN does a fine job the way it is, and there's no purpose for moving it to the ITU. There certainly hasn't been one put forth in this thread anyway. (Despite plenty of opportunity to provide even just one reason.)
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