wah wah wah
@sonnet.com
| reply to woody7
Re: Slow
I'd be interested in your explanation of exactly where it says in the U.S. Constitution that it is exclusively a "State's right" to issue orders that will directly result in the death of a person?
Death sentences are routinely appealed to the federal level; the U.S. Supreme Court just ordered that no minor may be executed any where in the United States. (Which I disagree with, but that is beside the point.)
How do you think this is any less of a case deserving of a federal hearing? |
|
megarock
join:2001-06-28
Saint Louis, MO | reply to DVOOR8
Sad but true. |
|
downtownman
@speakeasy.n
| reply to Wills
Yes, you have to ask the Federal Government to protect you, because if they just step in to take the appropriate action you all bitch about more big brother....
Make up your damn minds. It's the difference between having the cops chase down the people that ripped you off, or following you around 24-7 just because...you have a shaved head, goatee and tatoos.  |
|
fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
Premium
join:2001-05-25
Limbo
 ·Skype
| reply to Combat Chuck
Might shed some objective light on things here:
»abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html
--
When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other. |
|
fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
Premium
join:2001-05-25
Limbo | reply to Kip patterson
Perhaps not, but Choicepoint is a proof of concept that this kind of information can be obtained by unauthorized persons.
--
When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other. |
|
fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
Premium
join:2001-05-25
Limbo
·Skype
| reply to tdumaine
*putting on tinfoil hat* Maybe it IS the government that's behind this and they're doing it to reduce the deficit and that's why they're so slow to respond (note if I die in an "accident" in a few days, I guess we'll know). *removing tinfoil hat*
Joking aside, my guess as to why the media isn't jumping on it is because to the technically deficient, this is not too distinguishable from the multitude of other CC scams going on right now. I'm beginning to doubt the media can even understand the significance of this.
--
When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other. |
|
footballdude
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| reply to RavenTKR
said by RavenTKR  :I was under the impression that there are such thing as "separation of powers" and "separation of church and state". Congress creates the boundaries of the courts. Absolutely nothing unConstitutional about what they did with this Florida thing.
Separation of Church and State does not exist in the Constitution. The phrase comes from a personal letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to a friend that later became public knowledge. Most people that are proponents of this idea like to pretend that it is our law, but it isn't. |
|
N10Cities
SILENCE I Keel You
Premium
join:2002-05-07
Roland, OK
clubs:
 ·Cox HSI
 ·World Lynx
1 edit | reply to cahiatt
said by cahiatt :said by tdumaine :Government = slow Unless you're on a feeding tube... Now you've done it!
»redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warrio···nade.htm |
|
Kip patterson
Premium
join:2000-10-23
Columbus, OH | reply to 91439306
Choicepoint is NOT a credit card clearing house. There is no reason to think that the Choicepoint scam has any thing to do with Pluto. |
|
Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
1 edit | reply to RavenTKR
said by RavenTKR :Congress sure blew it this time, and it's only a matter of time before that law that was passed late Sunday would be declared unconstitutional by the courts. It is inconceivable that this decision will be struck down on that basis; the Constitution grants Congress the power to establish the Court system and set their juridictions, so this recent bill which grants the Federal Court jurisdiction is very squarely within Congressional purview.
It was rash, foolish, dangerous, sets a bad precedent, grandstanding, against state's rights, but it was not unconstitutional.
Steve
--
Stephen J. Friedl • Unix Wizard • Microsoft Security MVP • Tustin, California USA • my web site |
|
91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| reply to RavenTKR
The issue here is that a credit clearing house (one that warehouses your personal data and the date of millions of American citizens who use credit) had their database compromised by unscrupulous customers who bought access to that data by posing as legitimate creditors/merchant account holders.
This was not reported as a zombie/phishing attack. It was social engineering that occured, according to the reports I've read.
What will have to happen is either stricter control over whom the clearing houses like ChoicePoint Data accept as clients, or the removal of the ability of companies like that to maintain databases of personal information. Since the latter is unlikely, I'd expect that this could happen again.
--
Take care,
Mark & Mary Ann Weiss
Hear my Kurzweil Creations at: »www.dv-clips.com/theater.htm
'»www.mwcomms.com/auctions.htm
'»www.mwcomms.com
'»www.adventuresinanimemusic.com
|
|
Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to woody7
said by woody7 :I am donating my organs if they are any good, should some one decide that isn't ok? I think not....and no it isn't different... Please be aware that there is much much more to this case than anyone has reported. Not the least of which is that Mr. Schiavo suddenly remembered that Terri would want to die several (I believe 7) years after the whole thing started, almost immediately after having won money under the guise of wanting to take care of her for the rest of her life, and around the same time as he took on a girlfriend.
And that's not to mention the paramedics who suspected foul play, and how speech therapy and most outside contact (even TV and Radio background noise) was suddenly stopped once she got to the point where she was starting to form words.
--
Dear Hollywood:Shut up and dance monkey! |
|
Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| reply to MrWhippit
Or maybe, just maybe, the goverment IS looking into it, yet their investigation is still in it's early stages, and they don't want to kill the trail, but want to keep following it to the head.
Hence the reason the scam is still active.
--
I have a shaved head, a goatee, and tatoos. Don't you realize the rules don't apply to me. |
|
Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| reply to jjp4345
Yes, you have to ask the Federal Government to protect you, because if they just step in to take the appropriate action you all bitch about more big brother....
Make up your damn minds.
--
I have a shaved head, a goatee, and tatoos. Don't you realize the rules don't apply to me. |
|
MrWhippit
You Big Dummy Gimmie Back My Bandwith
Premium
join:2002-04-04
Philadelphia, PA | reply to tdumaine
Maybe these Pluto guys are VERY SMART...lol
--
Its all BALL-BEARINGS these days! |
|
woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
·EarthLink
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to wah wah wah
said by wah wah wah:
Has anyone bothered to read the Schiavo law, and say which part of it they think is 'unconstitutional?'
It's a law that allows a legal challenge to be brought in federal court. I doubt it will be found unconstitutional; the court may just decide that proper procedures have been followed in the case, and do nothing.
what concerns me is that most Repubs are staunch states rightest, unless it is something that is contrary to their way of thinking...I just went through this with my father inlaws death....I honored his wishes, he had a living will , power of attorney....(Me)He had cancer through out his body with no chance what so ever of survival and I made sure that he was not plugged in,as per his wishes..... this has nothing to do with "Schiavo" it's all political....I am donating my organs if they are any good, should some one decide that isn't ok? I think not....and no it isn't different...
--
BlooMe |
|
wah wah wah
@sonnet.com
| reply to RavenTKR
Has anyone bothered to read the Schiavo law, and say which part of it they think is 'unconstitutional?'
It's a law that allows a legal challenge to be brought in federal court. I doubt it will be found unconstitutional; the court may just decide that proper procedures have been followed in the case, and do nothing. |
|
RavenTKR
join:2003-05-12
Cleveland, OH | reply to DVOOR8
They could indeed hire a lobbyist firm with the money they stole. |
|
RavenTKR
join:2003-05-12
Cleveland, OH
| reply to cahiatt
I was under the impression that there are such thing as "separation of powers" and "separation of church and state".
Congress sure blew it this time, and it's only a matter of time before that law that was passed late Sunday would be declared unconstitutional by the courts.
Although It would be great if the people in Congress would act this fast to pass a law that isn't geared toward a single individual. |
|
jjp4345
join:2005-03-22
Montgomery, AL
| reply to DVOOR8
The small companies and individuals do not have lobbyists, so their interests are of no concern to the Federal Government and Congress. One need only look at the aviation problem after 9/11 to see that. A senior aide to Trasnportation Security Administrator was quoted as saying on September 23, 2002, "Neither TSA nor the Federal Government is interested in any technology to prevent the hijacking of aircraft." Makes you wonder where he was on 9/11. Also, most of the members of Congress say "the reason new technologies to prevent the hijacking of aircraft, like SRTA001, are not being funded is the American public is not asking for them to be funded." Did you know you had to ask the Federal Government and Congress to protect you? |
|
