apilosov
join:2002-12-27
Forest Hills, NY | Not true.
Verizon *is* obligated to provide ISPs access to the FIOS deployment, at least until FCC rules in favor of the waiver of Computer II requirements.
(See their most recent FCC petition) |
|
DonLibes
Premium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19
| said by apilosov  :Verizon *is* obligated to provide ISPs access to the FIOS deployment, at least until FCC rules in favor of the waiver of Computer II requirements. (See their most recent FCC petition) Could you provide a pointer and/or a better explanation? I can't even imagine why they would be require to provide access to other ISPs. (If so, will the rates be regulated? If not, what's the point?) |
|
hescominsoon
join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
 ·Comcast
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to apilosov
said by apilosov :Verizon *is* obligated to provide ISPs access to the FIOS deployment, at least until FCC rules in favor of the waiver of Computer II requirements. (See their most recent FCC petition) NO they are not. They won the ability to have their fiber service be exclusive to them. They ahve to share their copper plant..they are not obligated to share their fiber plant(hence why they are rollling it out so aggresivly.)
--
God Blesshttp://www.emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com-- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" |
|
apilosov
join:2002-12-27
Forest Hills, NY
| No, you are confused.
Verizon does not have to offer access to fiber/FIOS as a UNE to CLEC/DLEC. (Rates for UNE are cost-based). (Think: Covad cannot put their own fiber-DSLAM-equivalents and get access to FIOS same way as they do copper). (Think: No "layer 1" unbundling).
Verizon *does* have to offer access to ISPs on "equivalent interconnection" terms as they offer to Verizon Online. ("Layer 2" sharing). This requirement is due to "Computer II" case and associated requirements. They are fighting this one as well, FCC forbearance petition 04-440.
In this case, costs are not state-regulated, and basically, VZ only has to be a few pennies cheaper than their retail rate to qualify for the "equivalent interconnection".
VZ-affiliated ISPs *can* order FIOS services. |
|
JohnA
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA
| said by apilosov :Verizon *does* have to offer access to ISPs on "equivalent interconnection" terms as they offer to Verizon Online. Verizon Online has nothing to do with FIOS.
Verizon Online sells DSL over copper.
Verizon sells FIOS. |
|
apilosov
join:2002-12-27
Forest Hills, NY
| So not true
Who are you and why are you making those statements?
I own a DSL ISP, and have been running the first VZ-affiliated DSL ISP in 1998. I know what I'm talking about.
»www.yeichner.com/FiosBrochure.pdf
Quote from VZ brochure: "
Internet access service provided by Verizon Internet Services Inc., or GTE.NET LLC d/b/a Verizon Internet Solutions ( Verizon Online ). "
At any case, for purposes of the discussion, it is irrelevant whether it is a VZ-owned subsidiary like VOL or VADI that provides the service. Under CEI rules ("Comparably efficient interconnection") if LEC is providing "information services", it must offer service to ISPs (like Pilosoft, my company) on the similar terms as they provide to themselves.
This is something VZ is seeking forbearance from. This is the topic of 04-440 petition. However, that is still the case now, and (at least in theory), we can order FIOS-based service for our customers. Since there isn't all that much FIOS deployment in LATA 132/224, it's kind of theoretical thing, but if someone here lives in Westchester and wants to try to order FIOS from us, we'll be glad to try to see what happens  |
|
DonLibes
Premium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19
| If an ISP did apply to use Verizon's fiber, who would set the rates? Would Verizon make an application (tariff?) that would then have to be approved by the FCC? I assume Verizon could set the rates very high to cover their high costs of installing fiber. But they can probably take a loss when using it for themselves - when providing FIOS, no? |
|
apilosov
join:2002-12-27
Forest Hills, NY
| VZ would have to file the tariff, yes. I think that tariff may have already been filed, I need to check.
Tariff can have pretty much any price VZ decides, as long as its not ridiculously high, as so not to give ISPs more reasons to sue for not conforming to "Comparably Efficient Interconnection" rules . For DSL, VZ has always set the wholesale price to be about a dollar less than retail price. |
|
