Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
clubs:
| For every single possibility to do something
there are equal (aka single) if not multiple possible ways to break or defeat that very thing. 
Been there before with the AT&T Researcher Steven M. Bellovin's paper and a simple BSD Firewall running on an old PC with two NICs will break that simple attempt to map behind NAT/NAPT.
»Hiding Behind Your NAT
If man can think it up, another man can think a way to undo it. 
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What’s the point of owning a supercar if you can’t scare yourself stupid from time to time? |
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AMDUSER
Premium
join:2003-05-28
Earth
clubs:
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| said by Doctor Olds  :"..If man can think it up, another man can think a way to undo it. .." Things could get intresting, although it seems unlikely that ISPs would impliment something like this; at least for the time being anyways. |
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Fraoch
join:2003-08-01
London, ON
| said by AMDUSER :Things could get intresting, although it seems unlikely that ISPs would impliment something like this; at least for the time being anyways. One of the ISPs around here (Rogers) explicitly states in its user agreement that you can only have one device connected to their network.
This is for their light package, but still. I'm sure they'd want to know if they could... |
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ctceo
Premium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs: | Rogers can umm..... Never-mind
For those inquisitive minds my Modem is the device they need to be worrying about. NOT how many computers in my home attach to it. |
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| reply to Fraoch
There is only one device attached to their network...your router.
The PCs on the other side are connected to YOUR network.
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Kkrunch
join:2001-09-03
Puyallup, WA | reply to Fraoch
The only device I would connect to their network is my modem, the rest are connected to my network. Thank You. |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to Fraoch
said by Fraoch :said by AMDUSER :Things could get intresting, although it seems unlikely that ISPs would impliment something like this; at least for the time being anyways. One of the ISPs around here (Rogers) explicitly states in its user agreement that you can only have one device connected to their network You are not in violation of this caveat since there IS only one device connected to their network - The Router (which is doing the NAT). All the computers are on YOUR LAN which is created by the router. The fact that the Router Gateways to Roger's WAN network (and though there to the Internet) does not mean that the computers can talk DIRECTLY to the Internet.
This is the same situation as having a private phone system (such as in a hotel or business) where you must dial 9 to get an "Outside Line" and when calling in, you must "Enter the Extension of the Phone you want to talk to" (ie: The phones do not have a direct dial incoming number). |
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blueeyesm
join:2003-09-05
Waterloo, ON | The interesting about those TOS - they have the right to change them to suit their needs. |
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Fraoch
join:2003-08-01
London, ON
1 edit | reply to RARPSL
said by RARPSL :You are not in violation of this caveat since there IS only one device connected to their network - The Router (which is doing the NAT). All the computers are on YOUR LAN which is created by the router. The fact that the Router Gateways to Roger's WAN network (and though there to the Internet) does not mean that the computers can talk DIRECTLY to the Internet. Sorry - I should have said "computer" when I said "device".
From »tinyurl.com/4domk
Does Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet Lite support more than one computer ?
No, it does not. If you would like more than one computer hooked up to the service, then Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Express service is the right choice for you. As I said, if they had a way of determining how many PCs you had connected, even behind a router, I'm sure they'd like to know.
I did this for ~5 months. The way I see it, I didn't increase any costs on their end, so why should they care? |
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marks70
join:2001-09-30
Kent, WA | Its not the cost they would care about. It would be the potential lost profits from not charging per pc.
Some CEO would look at the info they could gather from this and come to the conclusion they are loosing money. |
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fugawiiing
@cable.rogers
| reply to Fraoch
You are mistaken my friend
Rogers only allows ONE IP address.
You can have as many PC's on as you wish as long as you only have one IP. So no hubs but you can have a router.
Call the techs up and ask them. Thats how I found out. |
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Fraoch
join:2003-08-01
London, ON
| said by fugawiiing:
You are mistaken my friend
Rogers only allows ONE IP address.
You can have as many PC's on as you wish as long as you only have one IP. So no hubs but you can have a router.
Call the techs up and ask them. Thats how I found out.
Ah OK, I can understand that.
But looking at the FAQ I posted, they seem to imply you can have multiple IPs in High Speed Express? (i.e. that it can handle "multiple computers") |
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havonasun
join:2005-03-08
Evansville, IN
| reply to fugawiiing
I thought the idea was that I pay a monthly fee for one ip and a CAPPED modem. What the hell more do they want? Who's hacking who? If they only want one device, then uncapping my modem shouldn't be illegal. (of course it should, but follow me) 256kbps and portage to the web IS THE SERVICE! That's what they offer, that's what I pay for! What if the power company said you could only have 10 devices plugged in, and any more would cause financial losses. But they only offer 100 amp service. Damn, shouldn't have put it that way, now the ISPs are going to charge by the kwh. |
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