JossMan
join:2005-02-19
Bristol, VA | reply to nozero
Re: [CATV] cable theft or not?
This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable. Tip: Why don't you split the bill with them. |
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TMTBoomer
join:2004-06-15
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February 21st, @11:01AM
| said by JossMan  :This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable. Tip: Why don't you split the bill with them. Are you out of your mind!. He is getting a service that he is not paying the provider for and knowingly doing so. This is called theft of service and it is not taken very lightly. |
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JossMan
join:2005-02-19
Bristol, VA | Its only cable theft if you are getting cable straight from the cable tap. They are simply sharing cable lines. Just like we share bandwidth on a cable line. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
 ·Charter Pipeline
| For the sake of me being bored right now...
It's theft. Cable bills to the address, not the number of people watching it. If your house has 55 people living in it and all of you chip in $1 a month, then everyone in that house can watch tv billed to that address.
If an apartment complex has 55 tenents and one cable line, split between all residents...but only one tenet's address gets the bill, even if they all chip in a buck 54 people are stealing the service.
Even by your definition of "theft", the person who is splittng the service is "reselling" or "redistributing" the service without the approval of Charter. Charter will NEVER approve of doing such because they make their money from subscribers/address. |
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Space_Ranger
join:2002-07-15
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said by JossMan :Its only cable theft if you are getting cable straight from the cable tap. They are simply sharing cable lines. Just like we share bandwidth on a cable line.
This is just so wrong. If you are not paying the provider directly, it is considered theft. If you rent a room from someone and they charge you for the cable, that is also considered theft since the subscriber does not have the right to resell the service to anyone else. That is listed in the UEA. |
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Vamp
5c077
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join:2003-01-28
MD
 ·Verizon FIOS
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February 21st, @10:58PM
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said by JossMan :This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable. Tip: Why don't you split the bill with them. That's not true, when you split to another residence you are duplicating it, when you share connection you are doing just that.. sharing. And besides, cable companies dont really like you sharing your connection with another residence either, however they cant really do anything about it.
And analog sucks, why would you want it? not to mention improper installs are ugly. |
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TraumaJunkie
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join:2004-03-05
Knoxville, TN
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February 22nd, @12:59PM
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said by JossMan :This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable. Tip: Why don't you split the bill with them. Instead of saying what I would really like  I will just say this: Both could end up in court, one for stealing cable and the other for reselling a product they are not authorized to resell.
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budone
join:2002-09-07
Traverse City, MI
·Charter Pipeline
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said by JossMan :This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable. Lets use a different utility.
So lets say your neighbor allows you to run a phone line from the jack downstairs up to your apartment so you can make local calls. Would that be considered 'splitting' and also be legal???
I think we know the answer to that..... It is the same thing, stealing. Heck pull the meter from the electric box and use electricity, youre not tapping ar the pole, so that must be ok to do also.
Sheez.... |
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neofate
Caveat Depascor
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join:2003-11-11
Birmingham, AL
 ·AT&T DSL Service
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to JossMan
said by JossMan :Its only cable theft if you are getting cable straight from the cable tap. They are simply sharing cable lines. Just like we share bandwidth on a cable line. Heh, I love when people pull these "rules of thumb" out their proverbial ass's to wrongly correct the right. 
It looks to me like Mr. JossMan is bending the blatently obvious answer to what eases his own conscious. =)
Anyhow, everyone caught this one and this is a dead horse, but I will give it one last kick...
You justify your premise that it isn't cable theft with an analogy.
"Just like we share bandwidth on a cable line."
You prooved yourself wrong with that statement alone. We share our bandwidth in the same household, apartment, room, etc. We do not share the same bandwidth with our neighbor 500 yards away through a window.
I know you can do this, and this again would be "theft" again heh.
However, on the bandwidth side of things, I could see sharing bandwidth being a little more justified, because thereby sharing your appropriated share of the overall bandwidth you yourself are having a direct portion of your service taken away from you. If you were to share your cable bandwidth with 5 neighbors, and you all were on at the same time,.. Things are gonna slow waaay down,.. Especially if Danny is downloading the latest version of Debbie does Dallas on his favorite Bitorrent site. =)
Anyhow, of course it's still stealing... it's all a matter of what if any virtue's the individual in question possess'. |
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JossMan
join:2005-02-19
Bristol, VA
| HMMMMMMMMMMM.........BUDDY LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, YOU TALK LIKE YOU KNOW HIGH SPEED INTERNET........BUT YOU DONT. YOU SHARE THE SAME BANDWIDTH THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS USE, THATS WHY SPEEDS VARY FROM TIME TO TIME. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD WAS DOWNLOADING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MOVIES, THEN YOUR CONNECTION YOU BE SLOWER THAN DIRT. BECAUSE HE IS HOGGING ALL THE BANDWIDTH ON THE LINE. YOU TALK LIKE A PERSON THAT HAS DSL. SO DONT GET ME STARTED. |
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TraumaJunkie
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join:2004-03-05
Knoxville, TN | Hmmmm..wanna lose the caps lock? Thanks |
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volntn
The Volunteer
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Cleveland, TN
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March 12th, @12:44AM
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said by JossMan :HMMMMMMMMMMM.........BUDDY LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, YOU TALK LIKE YOU KNOW HIGH SPEED INTERNET........BUT YOU DONT. YOU SHARE THE SAME BANDWIDTH THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS USE, THATS WHY SPEEDS VARY FROM TIME TO TIME. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD WAS DOWNLOADING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MOVIES, THEN YOUR CONNECTION YOU BE SLOWER THAN DIRT. BECAUSE HE IS HOGGING ALL THE BANDWIDTH ON THE LINE. YOU TALK LIKE A PERSON THAT HAS DSL. SO DONT GET ME STARTED. Where did that come from???  |
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MrBeetle
join:2004-02-01
Madison, WI
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said by JossMan :HMMMMMMMMMMM.........BUDDY LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, YOU TALK LIKE YOU KNOW HIGH SPEED INTERNET........BUT YOU DONT. YOU SHARE THE SAME BANDWIDTH THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS USE, THATS WHY SPEEDS VARY FROM TIME TO TIME. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD WAS DOWNLOADING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MOVIES, THEN YOUR CONNECTION YOU BE SLOWER THAN DIRT. BECAUSE HE IS HOGGING ALL THE BANDWIDTH ON THE LINE. YOU TALK LIKE A PERSON THAT HAS DSL. SO DONT GET ME STARTED. Umm... Hate to break it to you buddy, but everyone shares bandwith on the internet. Speed caps are used to make it so your neighbor does not steal your bandwith - But everything eventually hits a T1/T3/OC3/9/whatevertheyusenow which has a limit of the amount of traffic it can process. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to JossMan
said by JossMan :HMMMMMMMMMMM.........BUDDY LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, YOU TALK LIKE YOU KNOW HIGH SPEED INTERNET........BUT YOU DONT. YOU SHARE THE SAME BANDWIDTH THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS USE, THATS WHY SPEEDS VARY FROM TIME TO TIME. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD WAS DOWNLOADING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MOVIES, THEN YOUR CONNECTION YOU BE SLOWER THAN DIRT. BECAUSE HE IS HOGGING ALL THE BANDWIDTH ON THE LINE. YOU TALK LIKE A PERSON THAT HAS DSL. SO DONT GET ME STARTED. Bandwidth is shared to the CTMS port on the router. That port (currently) allows for 10mbps up and 20mbps down...or something like that.
If your neighbor (who is capped at 3mbps/256kbps) downloads movies all night, it won't affect you one bit. Now, if everyone on the CTMS port is doing that, yes you will see a speed drop.
Most cable systems are designed to prevent this type of slow down. If you're experiencing it, then there needs to a redistrobution of capacity in your area. Additional backbone bandwidth may be needed as well. |
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sdlup
join:2005-03-23
Ridge Farm, IL | reply to neofate
It is theft plain and simple if you are receiving a service from an adjoining residence and not paying for it then you are stealing it. One of my service areas if you get caught its $250.00 to the town. |
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