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2 edits | NIS blocking content
I've had NIS for a long time but recently reinstalled it after reinstalling XP on my machine. With NIS ad blocking enabled, most of this site is just white space
»www.tropicana.com/
(in both IE and FireFox.) The site is mostly Flash or something like that. The key areas just show up as white space.
With NIS ad blocking disabled, the site runs.
What do I have to tweak on NIS to make the content come through? How do I figure out what specifically is triggering the blocking?
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B
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| If the "key areas" you mean are the center of the screen, those are just two big JPGs with "ads" in their URLs:
»www.tropicana.com/articles/a0019···elA1.jpg
»www.tropicana.com/articles/a0018···elB1.gif
NIS is probably blocking based on the /ads/ key.
The meat of the site would appear to be in the heading, which has "banner" in its URL:
»www.tropicana.com/templates/bann···_off.gif
Why not just disable NIS ad blocking and use the AdBlock extension for Mozilla/Fireweasel? It's pretty good.
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jvmorris
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Heh, heh, heh!! You've got ActiveX set to BLOCK, rather than ASK.
I've got mine set to "Ask" and I got the ActiveX pop-up notification twice. If I then say BLOCK on each one, I bet I just got the same more or less blank page you saw.
Try it again; look at the NIS logs for Content Blocking. I think you'll find it there, along with LOTS of other stuff for that website.
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B
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ActiveX for the Flash plug-in, or something more arcane?
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jvmorris
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| Not really sure. I was running Firefox at the time and was surprised to see the ActiveX pop-up at all.
Active X logging messages follow: Again, both of these events were triggered by my responding to the ActiveX pop-up box to BLOCK.
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B
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Clearly NIS is pretty screwy then. Whether or not ActiveX is referenced in the HTML, it ain't gonna run under ordinary Moz/Fireweasel.
Dump that thang.
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jvmorris
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| said by B  :Clearly NIS is pretty screwy then. Whether or not ActiveX is referenced in the HTML, it ain't gonna run under ordinary Moz/Fireweasel. Not really, NIS picked it out in the incoming packets when the page was being downloaded; stopped processing before Firefox even saw it. Quite likely yes, if I'd let it run, Firefox would simply have ignored it. . . Well, wait ... lemme go see!
Dump that thang. Don't be silly. I'm running the last semi-stable version that still provides any sort of documentation. 
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jvmorris
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| Yep, looks exactly the same in Firefox, regardless of what I do in the NIS pop-ups. That is, the presented page looks the same (in Firefox) whether or not I PERMIT or BLOCK the Active X objects.
Lemme go try this in MSIE. . . .
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Add the following to the the allow list for that site:
/ads/
/banner/ |
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OK...Im getting the same thing |
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B
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I'm pretty sure it's just those two Flash sections, folks.
I also happen to have the Flash Click to View extension in Mozilla, and the two Flash sections stick out like sore thumbs.
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jvmorris
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| Didya look at the source code?
I can find the [/OBJECT] tags in MSIE, just not the [OBJECT] tags. I know there's a way to put the angle brackets in these posts, but I don't feel like taking the time to find it!
Probably just as well that Firefox shuts it down automatically!
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B
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| Yes, it was the first thing I checked.
I see two sets of starting AND ending Object tags. In Mozilla.
Not being a webhead, I don't understand if they have an effect under Mozilla or not.
My first guess is that it's SWF files either way, and only that IE needs to load an ActiveX control to play them.
Which would mean that NIS is doing a "false positive" in branding the tags ActiveX. But I'm probably wrong.
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jvmorris
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| Oh, heck, it gets worse. I see Verizon has quietly replaced my generic MSIE with a branded version. God only knows what they've done! 
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This is what my NIS 2003 logs show for that page |
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jvmorris
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| I think you're missing a few. 
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My page looked just like Rip2dbone 's did on the right of his post above, before I disabled NIS ad blocking.
I'm glad I've stirred up a conversation about this. From what I can determine, B was right on about the /ads/ string in many of he image location URLs.
I don't know if the active X issue is triggering anything on my machines as when I turn of NIS ad blocking, which does contain a block for /ads/, the pages load fine.
Important Question: Do other ad blockers use the pre-loaded strings "/ads/" and "/banner/" to block image locator URLs from loading? I need to know if this problem would likely occur if people were using common, popular ad blockers other than NIS.
Thanks
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jvmorris
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Settings for tropicana.com |
said by koam :My page looked just like Rip2dbone 's did on the right of his post above, before I disabled NIS ad blocking. Mine also. But I didn't go so far as to disable NIS ad blocking. I simply added /ads/ and /banner/ as jazzman suggested. That way I still had ad blocking on other sites.
I'm glad I've stirred up a conversation about this. From what I can determine, B was right on about the /ads/ string in many of he image location URLs.
I don't know if the active X issue is triggering anything on my machines as when I turn of NIS ad blocking, which does contain a block for /ads/, the pages load fine.
Important Question: Do other ad blockers use the pre-loaded strings "/ads/" and "/banner/" to block image locator URLs from loading? I need to know if this problem would likely occur if people were using common, popular ad blockers other than NIS. It's an extremely common practice for placing ads on web pages. Frankly, I'd still prefer the solution illustrated in the attached web shot.
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koam
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i'm not sure you got the gist of my last question, which was about ad blocking schemes in other software ad blockers.
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NanDog
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Couldn't capture 'em all, Joseph!  |
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