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Orchard Park, NY
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| Ordered ADSL
Very helpful and attentive sales staff. Their initial distance checks show me at 14,942 ft meaning that I qualify for 1.5/384 service. That would be far superior to my current satellite connection. 
I do have some questions for the current users.
In general are their distance measurements accurate?
How long did it take to find out if your line qualified?
How long did it take from order to live?
Are there any quirks specific to the New Edge service that I should watch for?
I have previously tried to get DSL through Verizon and was told that my line length was over 18,000 ft, thus no joy. I mentioned this to sales, but it didn't seem to make them concerned.
My own distance calculations are in line with what NEN reported. The only way I could get the distance Verizon reported was by adding a bridge tap extending to the end of the road.
Here's to hoping the line qualifies. |
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redhat1968
join:2000-10-17
Appleton, WI
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| You cannot count length by looking at a map. Cable paths is the field can run very differntly that what you may think. By road it may be 15,000 (which you will be very lucky to get evan close to 1.5) but by cable length it may be close to 20,000.
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| said by redhat1968  :You cannot count length by looking at a map. Cable paths is the field can run very differntly that what you may think. Yes I know, the effective wire length is greatly affected by the wire gauge. The phone lines are on poles so I can see that they do in fact follow the roads. The things I can't determine are what the wire gauge is or if there are bridge taps and load coils on the line. I would assume that New Edge orders a new line from Verizon so that these sorts of obstacles are removed during the provisioning.
said by redhat1968 :By road it may be 15,000 (which you will be very lucky to get evan close to 1.5) Even if I can only qualify for 768/128 it would still be a far better connection than satellite offers. 1.5/384 would be fantastic. |
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redhat1968
join:2000-10-17
Appleton, WI
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| ----Yes I know, the effective wire length is greatly affected by the wire gauge. The phone lines are on poles so I can see that they do in fact follow the roads---
A cable may not run straight from the CO to your dmark, it may run to a hut or crossbox further down the line and come back to you. This is true in almost 75% of the cases.I have customers 1 mile from the CO but their loop length is almost 2 miles. Yes the circuit works, but they can't get the higher speeds because of distance.
---The things I can't determine are what the wire gauge is or if there are bridge taps and load coils on the line. I would assume that New Edge orders a new line from Verizon so that these sorts of obstacles are removed during the provisioning---
This is incorrect thinking. Verizon doesn't just remove taps, coils, etc to make your circuit work. You are not ordering from them, so they are not going to do extra work in unconditioning a line to make a New Edge circuit work. New Edge would have to order a special circuit without the conditioning which creates more problems the further out you go. I do this day in and day out and see almost every type of trouble out there. I am not saying you can't get your speeds (service), but just be aware there is a lot more than meets the eye in the dsl world.
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| said by redhat1968 :A cable may not run straight from the CO to your dmark, it may run to a hut or crossbox further down the line and come back to you. This is true in almost 75% of the cases.I have customers 1 mile from the CO but their loop length is almost 2 miles. Yes the circuit works, but they can't get the higher speeds because of distance. I never heard of those terms before. Are huts and crossboxes specific to fiber? I do know from Verizon that there is no fiber on the line. It's copper all the way from my house to the CO.
As for not ordering from Verizon, believe me I tried to. Once their system indicates to them that I'm over 18,000 ft it's game over. New Edge seemed eager to get me DSL so I figured why not let them try.
This probably isn't the correct forum to ask this, but is there any way to order a line conditioned specifically for DSL from a phone company such as Verizon? Even if it costs extra for line conditioning it might be worth it to me.
Thanks for the info. It's always helpful to have someone who works with technology on a daily basis fill in the details. |
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redhat1968
join:2000-10-17
Appleton, WI
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| A hut or crossbox is just a juction point, with or without extra components. It may contain fiber, but doesn't have to.
You can order a uncondition dsl loop, but if Verizon has already made up their minds you may be barking up a tree. If New Edge can get you the loop, then let them do it. Us as a CLEC Telco, can get more from the ILECs than can a regular client. I do know that if you are at 15,000 ft and up, that getting 1.5 will be hard but not impossible, 768 /768 would be more your pallpark.
hope this helps
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