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pnh102
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reply to fgoldstein
Re: He's right about Brand X - agree!

said by fgoldstein See Profile:

Stringing your own wire (fiber) is rarely a viable option. BrandX itself actually has strung fiber around its own neighborhood. But in most cities, the poles are crowded, making it extremely costly to add additional lines.
So why is that anyone other than Brand X's problem? Why should the cable companies care at all and why should they be forced to share if Brand X doesn't have the cash to access these poles? If the cable companies had to pay someone else for access to these poles, then surely Brand X should be expected to do the same.

Again, this is simply an issue of private property. Brand X wants to force other companies to grant Brand X access to their private property. The government has no place doing this.
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VirtualLarry
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said by pnh102 See Profile:

Again, this is simply an issue of private property. Brand X wants to force other companies to grant Brand X access to their private property. The government has no place doing this.
Except that in nearly all cases, "communications providers", telcos and cable cos alike, are using space that they do not privately own, to string their wires or whatever. That space is either owned by another private party, or by the public-at-large, which means that the owner has the right to demand concessions, or apply restrictions, on the use of that property. One of the restrictions, could be the legal requirement that they are required to share their lines with other communications-services companies.

So your right, it is a question of property, but in terms of easements granted through "public" spaces, the gov't has every right to make those line-sharing demands, on behalf of the people, who own the property that the private company is using to deliver their services and profit off of.

Or is it your view that private companies should be able to steal from citizens at will?


imrf
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join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI
·WOW Internet and C..

said by VirtualLarry See Profile:

which means that the owner has the right to demand concessions,
They do, they lease the space from the owner. In return the owner lets them install and use their wire for whatever they want to do with it. Which one of the things is to not allow a competitor use the wire that they paid for, installed, maintains, and rents space for.

fgoldstein

join:2003-01-21
Newton Highlands, MA
·RCN CABLE

reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 See Profile:

Again, this is simply an issue of private property. Brand X wants to force other companies to grant Brand X access to their private property. The government has no place doing this.
Well, I have not said that I favored Brand X's position, personally, in their case. I am very much on record as opposing the Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers' petitions to be treated like cable companies, rather than as common carriers. Brand X argues that cable companies do what common carriers do and should be treated the same way. The ILECs agree, but in the opposite sense -- they want both to be NOT common carriers.

The public interest demands common carriage. It is highly unrealistic to grant "propertarian" rights to common carriers to control what they do with their property. If the ILECs were not regulated, there would be no Internet: It was regulation that forced Ma Bell to allow "foreign attachments", like modems. (Or would you rather be renting a Model 103 300-bps modem for $25/month?) It was regulation that forced Ma Bell to allow "sharing and resale" of its leased lines: Before that rule, they flat-out refused to run leased data circuits between two different corporations, because "private lines" could only be for the exclusive use of one company. Anything else had to go dial-up, paying toll.

Cable companies do pay a franchise fee -- yes, they're allowed to pass it along, which is rational since it's a cost of doing business -- which I suppose ostensibly covers the value of their rights of way. Telcos don't pay that, but do have an obligation of common carriage. Cable companies were not created to carry the Internet -- it's possible that if they were regulated as common carriers, they'd be much less interested in doing it. That's the legal situation in the USA. The Bells claim they need that incentive too, but that's absurd; they're the sole provider of wholesale access to ISPs, and have incredibly valuable plant. Canada, I will note, has different laws, and does impose something like common carriage (wholesale access at regulated rates for any ISP who wants in) on cable modems. If there were no common carriers, even this message board couldn't exist -- who would allow it on *their* wires?
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