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Re: Crap is crap
said by TheWickerMan  :I think you missed the part about "without my consent." One either gives explicit consent by installing the crap, or implicit consent by allow it to happen. In other words, if you don't take steps to prevent crap from being installed, you are consenting to it's installation.
In the final analysis, you, and only you, are responsible for what gets installed on your computer.
Bob
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| I take the action to prevent it yes, and have not had a problem for a long time now.
The problem comes when spyware is hidden in what looks to be a legitimate program, whatever it may be, IE: aim, etc... you get the picture.
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| said by exocet_cm :I take the action to prevent it yes, and have not had a problem for a long time now. Right! And those who don't should wear the dunce cap, face the corner, and stop complaining.
said by exocet_cm :The problem comes when spyware is hidden in what looks to be a legitimate program, whatever it may be, IE: aim, etc... I don't think any spyware comes with any of those programs! Spyware/Adware come only with "free" eye-candy software. The nuisance they cause is the price of "free". It's hard to scam an honest man or woman!
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jsouth
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What if you are trying out a new program that says is spyware free but really isn't? Not everyone will come right out and say. "Hey! We come bundled with spyware!" Also not every scanner will pick it up either. Especially if is new or a newer variant. So even if you take steps to prevent it from installing you still can get hit from time to time. I have cleaned machines that run Firefox, anti-trojan software etc. etc. etc. but still get hit. |
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| said by jsouth :What if you are trying out a new program that says is spyware free but really isn't? Not everyone will come right out and say. Google is your friend! There really are FEW excuses!!
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Take head out of Butt please!
You're kidding right. Please take your head out of your butt, and put the blame where it belongs... On the people making money; writing programs whose sole purpose is to install themselves without a users knowledge... and designed to be VERY difficult to remove. Quit blaming the sheep, and start shooting the wolves. |
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| said by FromThe Right:
You're kidding right. Please take your head out of your butt, and put the blame where it belongs... On the people making money; writing programs whose sole purpose is to install themselves without a users knowledge... and designed to be VERY difficult to remove. Quit blaming the sheep, and start shooting the wolves.
The BIGGEST BLAME should be aimed at Microsoft for distributing defective software. Why don't we see more blame directed at the source of the disease instead of at the symptoms of the disease; the pimples and warts the disease causes?
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TamaraB
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said by FromThe Right:
You're kidding right. Nope!
said by FromThe Right:
Please take your head out of your butt, and put the blame where it belongs... On the people making money; The most prolific people "making money" on people's ignorance and stupidity is Microsoft! They make more "MONEY" than any of the alternatives, and certainly more than the criminals they are in league with, and support!
said by FromThe Right:
writing programs whose sole purpose is to install themselves without a users knowledge... and designed to be VERY difficult to remove. Quit blaming the sheep, and start shooting the wolves.
The Wolves as you call them are are the manufactures of the OS which freely allows this sort of abuse!
If Brinks' trucks were as easy to break into as M$ OS's, Brinks would cease to be a viable company! What I want to know is why do people like you, continually make excuses for M$, and refuse to hold them accountable for their massive security failures? Is it because you can't bear to admit you made a mistake, or a bad choice? Or is it because you can't bear to actually learn something, and force yourself out of the cartoon-world of point-and-click M$ defective computers?
There ARE viable secure alternatives, why don't you take advantage of them? Is it because it requires more IQ than you possess?
Bob
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schmattie
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| You must have worked in Tech support Bob.....
You have the same bitterness that half of my co-workers have.
I'm assuming from your repeated (M$) that's Microsoft btw...
bashing that you probably run some from of nix. Good for you, you know how to compile drivers and basically play with your os without ruining the computer. I would also assume that you are probably think of yourself as some kind of hacker. (not the malicious kind mind you). The problem I have is this, the internet is public and it was made for everyone not just computer savvy people. I can't blame Microsoft for the security holes it has because there is no way an os is ever 100% secure, period. Bash MS all you want but the truth is MS is a billion times more compatible with any hardware than nix will ever be, not to mention how many man hours people put in to "finding" exploits for Windows versus nix. Microsoft gets blasted the most because 85%-90% of home users are using it. Point is if nix was as wide spread you would see the same thing. Just imagine all the root exploits! |
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| said by schmattie : The problem I have is this, the internet is public and it was made for everyone not just computer savvy people. Not so! The Internet was designed and built by the military as a nuclear-hardened research and communications tool, not as a public entertainment medium.
The protocols which underlie the Internet were NOT designed for easy and secure use by the masses, rather, they were designed for use by savvy and technical people to do technical research. The "public" nature of the Internet was legislated, not designed.
Microsoft, for some reason (money?), "opened" it up to the public, but took no notice or precautions of it's inherent lack of security, (It's openness is by design) or of it's technical nature.
Most of the problems we see today with respect to security, spam, viruses, trojans, etc... is a result of this mis-guided and sloppy approach.
The Internet IS UNIX. The Internet was totally modeled after the UNIX OS, right from it's early UUCP beginnings. It was NEVER designed to be what Microsoft erroneously calls "easy" and "safe"; even though windows is designed to make it (falsely) look so. It's this difference between reality, and Microsoft-Advertised perception, and engineering which is at the root of the issue.
Under the current, and traditional structure of the Internet, it is not possible for the average "mom and pop" to "just click here, where do you want to go today" easily, safely and securely! That is an advertising lie pushed only my Microsoft! They are at fault, no one else!
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| Not so! The Internet was designed and built by the military as a nuclear-hardened research and communications tool, not as a public entertainment medium.
you also said this a couple of posts before....?
The Internet is a PUBLIC space, unlike your home which is a PRIVATE space.
So which is it public or private?
it can't be both.
As far as that "military" reference that was arpnet which spawned the internet.
Yes the protocols were designed for military use but puff corn was designed originally as a packing material and now is a tasty treat. I could give a rats a== if it was designed in 1979 for military use, reality is that now it is used as a medium for entertainment.
Seriously quit being such a whiner about microsoft. They aren't the only ones that made money off this "new" medium you call the internet. Put aside your hate....
Everything isn't M$'s fault. Ford wouldn't recall F150's because the engine bottoms out if you forget to change the oil every 3000 miles. Nor would they recall if putting sugar in the tank ruined the fuel system.
Reality is this people are malicious, we are a bunch of bast==ds. Whatever you do someone will always find a way to ruin it. People should be punished harshly who do things like this. We don't get mad @ the company for not holding are hands and keeping us safe from the bad guys.
Also their have been revisions in the ip protocol btw I think we are ipv6 now.....that crap about not being designed for security is pretty much mute at this point.
Nothing is ever completely secure not even your nix box.
Just be thankful very few people use nix otherwise you would be experiencing the same problems.
BTW I have plenty of user to root exploits on nix that still work.
I love open source too but it has a way to go. |
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