Re: Could be a good thing - dslreports.com

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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs: ·Comcast	reply to Goober Re: Could be a good thing said by Goober : This can be a very good thing as longas (as was mentioned above) MS doesn't gut the company. I agree. What's funny is the prospect of a Microsoft anti-spyware program. Kind of an oxymoron to say the least! -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey Kazaa Is Spyware. Gator / Claria Is Spyware. I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam: 1186
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Anon00 Premium join:2001-09-25 Spring Valley, CA ·Cox HSI	said by Nerdtalker : said by Goober : This can be a very good thing as longas (as was mentioned above) MS doesn't gut the company. I agree. What's funny is the prospect of a Microsoft anti-spyware program. Kind of an oxymoron to say the least! Better than them ignoring the problem. Damned if you don't, damned if you do. -- "Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent." - Friedrich Nietzsche "'It's the law' is just an excuse for the unintelligent to remain that way" - Me
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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs: ·Comcast	said by Anon00 : Damned if you don't, damned if you do. How true. This isn't the first time they've been in a situation like that, and for once, I can feel their frustration. Just personally, however, I think I'll stick with Lavasoft Adaware and Spybot S&D for anti-crapware. -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey Kazaa Is Spyware. Gator / Claria Is Spyware. I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam: 1186
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by Nerdtalker : I think I'll stick with Lavasoft Adaware and Spybot S&D for anti-crapware. Microsoft's program hasn't even come out yet, and the program they bought scored better than both AdAware and Spybot in the tests. Staying away from a better security product just because it has Microsoft's name on it is pretty misguided IMO. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus ·Packet8 ·Cox HSI	said by Jeremy341 : Staying away from a better security product just because it has Microsoft's name on it is pretty misguided IMO. In your opinion yes, but from a security standpoint, its not. Microsoft really hasn't established itself very well in the area of security software, so they are pretty much a new player in a very competitive game. They'll need to prove themselves first. Its how Cisco and OpenBSD, among others, have earned their place. They've been tried, tested and proven to be the best in their league (Cisco in network security and OpenBSD is OS security). -- FINALLY its on DVD! Viva La Fee' Verte!
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by bmn : In your opinion yes, but from a security standpoint, its not. If it's truly a better product, then it is. If it gets rid of more stuff than the competition, it's better. Period. Only anti-Microsoft zealots will care about who makes it. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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bbrkdub join:2001-10-03 Arlington, VA ·Comcast	said by Jeremy341 : Only anti-Microsoft zealots will care about who makes it. Huh? bmn makes a valid point. Microsoft is new to the security software market, and they do have to prove themselves. The interesting thing is Micrsoft now has some of the best tools in both the antivirus and antispyware markets. Proof is in the pudding, and they've bought the right mix. Now, they just need to produce a good (combination?) product. -- Hope this helps...
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by bbrkdub : said by Jeremy341 : Only anti-Microsoft zealots will care about who makes it. Microsoft is new to the security software market, and they do have to prove themselves. I'm not saying that everyone should jump on-board with Microsoft's new program immediately. What I'm saying is that they purchased the top performer, and if it stays that way, why hate it? If the program goes to crap after Microsoft gets their hands on it, fine. I just don't see that happening. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus ·Packet8 ·Cox HSI edit: December 16th, @09:30PM	reply to Jeremy341 said by Jeremy341 : said by bmn : In your opinion yes, but from a security standpoint, its not. If it's truly a better product, then it is. If it gets rid of more stuff than the competition, it's better. Period. Only anti-Microsoft zealots will care about who makes it. True, BUT Microsoft is picking up another companies product, which is NOT a reflection of Microsoft's ability to produce a quality product. The proof will be in the pudding. Microsoft will need to KEEP that level of detection and removal to prove itself a viable competitor in the spyware removal field of play. However, Microsoft is still unproven on its own when it comes to security software. And that is still a valid concern, one that can't be argued against. -- FINALLY its on DVD! Viva La Fee' Verte!
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus ·Packet8 ·Cox HSI	reply to Jeremy341 said by Jeremy341 : I just don't see that happening. That depends on who they have developing the software. If Microsoft takes the Giant software and keeps the Giant development team, it should remain at its current quality level... However, if Microsoft takes the product and kicks the Giant developers to the curb, quality probably will suffer. -- FINALLY its on DVD! Viva La Fee' Verte!
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Anon00 Premium join:2001-09-25 Spring Valley, CA ·Cox HSI edit: December 16th, @09:49PM	reply to bmn said by bmn : said by Jeremy341 : said by bmn : In your opinion yes, but from a security standpoint, its not. However, Microsoft is still unproven on its own when it comes to security software. And that is still a valid concern, one that can't be argued against. Because they haven't ventured into the field. Buying a top-notch company helps them establish a footing into this field. I mean do you know how many damn companies Cisco has bought? Every field they venture in they usually acquire a company, like Security Appliances, VoIP, Switching technologies (esp layer 3/4 switching). Acquiring Giant can be a boon to consumers too. Having MS resources behind you isn't something to sneeze at. I know how people can be weary of Corporations acquiring smaller software outfits (ie AOL and their acquisitions of Nullsoft, ICQ, etc) because of what they did, but I can't recall MS destroying their acquisitions (yes RAV, but think its too soon to say). Of course, we probably can't expect Giant to remain exactly the way it is. Most likely it will be integrated with other security software (like RAV). My hope is MS while having integration, will also have separate installs. Also, we gotta look at the positive side of having a product that could be aimed (and provided by a known company, MS) at the average consumer. Too much malware is out there (AND AGAIN NOT ALL IE-BASED) and there really isn't a notable, mainstream product that average consumers know about so they go installing products they hope to fix the problem but only create more. Having a MS-Improved/Backed/Made product could help provide a real and effective Anti-Malware solution to the average consumer and eliminate most of this crap that effects all of us in ways of SPAM, virus proliferation, and DoS attacks. -- "Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent." - Friedrich Nietzsche "'It's the law' is just an excuse for the unintelligent to remain that way" - Me
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	I wish it were possible to give more than one thumbs up. Excellent post!
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus ·Packet8 ·Cox HSI	reply to Anon00 You've said nothing I wouldn't have said, however, still doesn't change the fact that security conscious administrators and techs will wait for this to develop. Microsoft is still too new to the security field to trust right out of the gate. This software purchase does help their entry into the Spyware killing game, yes, BUT its not their golden ticket... -- FINALLY its on DVD! Viva La Fee' Verte!
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VirtualLarry Premium join:2003-08-01	reply to Anon00 said by Anon00 : Having a MS-Improved/Backed/Made product could help provide a real and effective Anti-Malware solution to the average consumer and eliminate most of this crap that effects all of us in ways of SPAM, virus proliferation, and DoS attacks. Yeah, it's call the "MS Windows Operating System", and they've been claiming for years that it's oh-so-secure. So why does this current problem even exist? That's right, MS designed the flaws into the system, that allow the current malware state of affairs. Who is to say that they won't do the same thing with the Giant Anti-Spyware codebase in time as well?
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Goober join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL	Like Anon (above) said, "Damned if you don't, damned if you do." Then tell me, what should MS do to help make their software more secure? No matter what they do, you guys will criticize.
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bbrkdub join:2001-10-03 Arlington, VA ·Comcast	said by Goober : Like Anon (above) said, "Damned if you don't, damned if you do." Then tell me, what should MS do to help make their software more secure? No matter what they do, you guys will criticize. What is wrong with being critical of a company, any company, that is new to an exisiting market? It doesn't matter what Microsoft has done in other markets, they're new to the security market. There are established players, and their products are fairly mature. As an administrator, there's nothing wrong with being somewhat weary of a new MS security product, especially given their track record on security issues. That being said, MS has acquired some good security tools and all they need to do is execute. That's all that's left; the ball is in their court. -- Hope this helps...
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Anon00 Premium join:2001-09-25 Spring Valley, CA ·Cox HSI edit: December 17th, @01:59PM	said by bbrkdub : said by Goober : Like Anon (above) said, "Damned if you don't, damned if you do." Then tell me, what should MS do to help make their software more secure? No matter what they do, you guys will criticize. What is wrong with being critical of a company, any company, that is new to an exisiting market? It doesn't matter what Microsoft has done in other markets, they're new to the security market. There are established players, and their products are fairly mature. As an administrator, there's nothing wrong with being somewhat weary of a new MS security product, especially given their track record on security issues. That being said, MS has acquired some good security tools and all they need to do is execute. That's all that's left; the ball is in their court. Of course there should be a wait and see period. Just wanted to comment on a step in the right direction, but I'm honestly not suggesting MS couldn't screw up Giant's software. That's why my title was Could be a good thing. It's all about execution of the acquisition, but MS certainly has the resources to make this work. I'm sick of people crying about Windows. First off, the only resident protection I run is a Virus program and a firewall (mostly to control outbound). And I also have other non-technical, non-security oriented people using this box, I just know how to lock it down (via Group Policy) so they can't screw it up. Crying about how MS just designed a flawed OS and any attempt at fixing a problem just gets more people to cry about it doesn't help anyone. What are they suppose to do? Just admit it and I guess stop making OSes? Not attempt any solutions? We have what we have. It ain't going away for awhile, even if people were inclined to change. Businesses aren't going to switch out 1,000,000s of machines (OSes) tomorrow and home users aren't either. We have a serious problem that needs to be dealt with and a lot of it has to do with non-security oriented, non-technical users out there. For a Anti-malware product that has the potential to be as mainstream as Windows (with the same market penetration) it could be a good thing for both the home world and the office world. Its kinda like Auto-update being the default in SP2. I know a lot of people that cried about privacy issues (and I wouldn't support it if it couldn't be disabled, esp for Admins) but the bottom line is that incorporating that feature patched a lot of systems that wouldn't ever be patched. My hope is MS will roll out this technology via WindowsUpdate (among other means) so that the average consumer will have this on by default so when their kids decide to install Kazaa or some other piece of s*** software there will be some resident software saying, "Hey there dummy, don't install this software cause it will make your computer a SPAM/Virus/Porn relay". -- "Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent." - Friedrich Nietzsche "'It's the law' is just an excuse for the unintelligent to remain that way" - Me
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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs: ·Comcast	reply to Jeremy341 said by Jeremy341 : Staying away from a better security product just because it has Microsoft's name on it is pretty misguided IMO. If I was in your position, I'd say the same. I just thought it ironic that Microsoft suddenly is going to be able to deliver a sought-after and possibly trusted product, after being criticized so much. That said, however, their image problem can't be corrected simply by releasing a re-branded version of Giant's software suite. -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey Kazaa Is Spyware. Gator / Claria Is Spyware. I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam: 1186
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Jeremy341 Bye Premium join:2000-01-06 localhost	said by Nerdtalker : If I was in your position, I'd say the same. Oh right, I forgot. I work for Microsoft. -- I do not trust Firefox. Spread anything besides that horrid piece of crap.
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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs: ·Comcast	said by Jeremy341 : said by Nerdtalker : If I was in your position, I'd say the same. Oh right, I forgot. I work for Microsoft. That's not what I meant. Please, I'm not a "M$" basher. I'm on your side. -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey Kazaa Is Spyware. Gator / Claria Is Spyware. I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam: 1186
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