Sebastian
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Re: Wow
o how wonderful.. 11 million downloads and probably only 2% are actually using it 
i wonder if it even paid off infesting 10,000 sites, with people trying to shove the browser down your throat. if people wanted it, im sure they can find it.
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cvrefugee
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| said by Sebastian  :
o how wonderful.. 11 million downloads and probably only 2% are actually using it
i wonder if it even paid off infesting 10,000 sites, with people trying to shove the browser down your throat. if people wanted it, im sure they can find it.
Wasn't it more like 10% or something? Also, IE comes with Windows, so if anybody is trying to shove a browser down your throat it would be Microsoft. |
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CO_Chris
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I see a IE user here. don't be a hater Bro your world will be ok. |
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Sebastian
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| reply to cvrefugee
said by cvrefugee :Wasn't it more like 10% or something? Also, IE comes with Windows, so if anybody is trying to shove a browser down your throat it would be Microsoft. i dunno, i don't usually pay attention to stats.. however, i knew this was gonna turn into an MS vs others ..
you do have a choice not to use the browser if you do not want to.. just like when you buy a new computer which comes with 30 gigs of useless software.. doesn't mean you have to use it.
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dadkins
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If Microsoft didn't include a browser(IE), how would you have downloaded Firefox?
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DVOOR8
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said by CO_Chris :I see a IE user here. don't be a hater Bro your world will be ok. I dont understand what all the hub bub is about IE vs. Firefox? Its a stinking brownser for crying out loud. Ive been using IE for what, like 10-12 years now, and never had a problem. What are all the Firefox people going to do when hackers start writing exploits for FF? |
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pike
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Um, ftp?
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jwsmiths4
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| reply to dadkins
Simple you'd have gone to a book store - purchased a manuscript that contained the source for Fire Fox, opened notepad, typed it in, compiled it (fixed any typos) and then voila!
I use FF btw.
Seriously though if MS didn't include IE then more people would have to learn how to use terminal FTP clients to download stuff they wanted.
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rjackson
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said by dadkins :If Microsoft didn't include a browser(IE), how would you have downloaded Firefox? ;) Like this.
firefly:~ rjackson$ ftp ftp.mozilla.org
Trying 2001:4f8:0:2::1f...
ftp: connect to address 2001:4f8:0:2::1f: No route to host
Trying 207.200.85.49...
Connected to ftp.mozilla.org.
Name (ftp.mozilla.org:rjackson): anonymous
331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
Password:
230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
ftp> cd pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0/mac/en-US
250 CWD command successful.
ftp> get Firefox\ 1.0.dmg.gz
local: Firefox 1.0.dmg.gz remote: Firefox 1.0.dmg.gz
227 Entering Passive Mode (207,200,85,49,250,84)
150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for Firefox 1.0.dmg.gz (9058286 bytes).
100% |************************************************************************************
**| 8845 KB 365.24 KB/s 00:00 ETA
226 BINARY Transfer complete.
9058286 bytes received in 00:24 (365.14 KB/s)
ftp>
(*) WARNING 1 long line(s) split |
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dadkins
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1 edit | LMAO! You people are funny! Out of the X amount of people that downloaded it, how do you think they found out about Firefox?
How many of these downloads were done the way(s) you you suggest vs using IE?
Granted, Microsoft shouldn't have burried IE so far into the OS... but, what would *ANY* OS be without a browser to enable people to get online to possibly get something different?
Uh huh.
I personally don't like Mozilla products(my choice).
IE enabled me to *TRY* many other softwares... including Mozilla/Firefox, Netscape, Opera, the whole lot of IE based browsers, and many other apps. I suspect that many/most others did the same.
Have a great day people! 
EDIT: Typo
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Aggie Dan
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Actually, I was working on a coworker's personal computer that was COMPLETELY hosed so far as IE went. Hacked and hijacked, this thing needed some serious cleaning. Of course, no Ad-Aware or any such was on this PC. Everything seemed to work (including Gator and Weatherbug) except IE. Ad-Aware fixed it, by the way, once I was able to download it.
But, what did I do? I downloaded Firefox via command-line FTP. After I installed it I was able to then download Ad-Aware and have it clean up IE's mess. But, I then switched the default browser to FF and put the Noia 2.0 Extreme theme on it. My coworker loves it.
Why didn't I just download Ad-Aware using command-line FTP? Because I'm not familiar with where Lavasoft would keep their files. But, I knew Mozilla.org would be arranged in a way that would make navigating via command-line a breeze.
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Aggie Dan
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Actually, you can set up a linux box without a browser.
And you can get new programs to install (using Gentoo as a reference here) all via portage.
All programs are organized into easy to understand categories. Also, I use Pan for Newsgroup access, so I could just use that to download program source files or (ACK!) rpms. And join discussion groups on software.
Quite frankly, the browser may seem to dominate the web, but there is a lot more out there than the "average" user knows about.
And how did I learn how to do all this stuff? Easy. I didn't have a browser, so I used what was available. I didn't have a computer and had to use a dumb terminal that was connected to my University's VAX cluster. In order to "see the world" I had to find out for myself how things worked. Then I found IRC, MUDs, Newsgroups, etc... And learned how to use them all on a terminal.
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said by DVOOR8 : Ive been using IE for what, like 10-12 years now, and never had a problem. IE didn't exist 10-12 years ago. Mosaic wasn't even around until 1993, and before it, there was no graphical WWW. Everything was text based. I remember using Lynx in 1994 to browse the web from a Unix prompt. |
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rjackson
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Microsoft didn't license Mosaic from Spyglass until 1995. |
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dadkins
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No offense, but you are in a minority that knows how to do these things. The majority of computer users today would be lost trying to use a terminal as you described.
Most people today use a browser of some sort. Most people use Microsoft OSes. If Microsoft didn't have a browser included(or the system mfgr. didn't bundle a browser), they would not be able to find out about/download alternatives.
As always, YMMV.
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biggbrother
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| said by dadkins :Most people today use a browser of some sort. Most people use Microsoft OSes. If Microsoft didn't have a browser included(or the system mfgr. didn't bundle a browser), they would not be able to find out about/download alternatives. I really don't understand what point your getting at. So you are saying thay we "owe" Microsoft thanks because they preload Internet Explorer on Windows machines? So if IE wasn't preloaded on thes machines then billions of users would be cut off from all types of software downloads from the web (i.e. media players, games, etc)?
The only reason MS has this power is because they have a monolpoly. In my opinion, they would be forced by the Justice Department to put some sort of basic web interface into Windows if they did not offer IE.
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electric_dsl
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| reply to Aggie Dan
Good for you mate!
However a lot of people have lives outside of a computer screen, many have jobs on top of that. Many like myself work with computers for 9 hours a day, 5 days a week. I know that I don't want to mess around with my computer if I need it at home. I want to do the most possible with the least amount of work.
Not to mention most people don't even know where to START when it comes to learning things about computers. Just because you can do it doesn't mean a 60 old grandma who wants to email her grandchildren can or wants to learn. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| reply to Sebastian
Lets get this topic back to perspective here. You complained about people trying to shove Firefox down your throat. That was responded with the fact that Internet Explorer is shoved down everybody's throat that has a Windows operating system. So in essence your complaint about Firefox being promoted so prominently on many sites isn't that valid because MS does the same thing, only ten-fold.
No point in saying IE is necessary for Windows and "If IE weren't in there you couldn't..." kind of nonsense. The fact remains it's always there... in your face... more than Firefox. Just accept it. |
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dadkins
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2 edits | reply to biggbrother
What OS are you using?
What browser are you using?
How did you get it?
Are you satisfied with it?
Can you remove the OS and install a different OS in it's place?
Will this different OS work for your tasks?
I use XP.
I use Opera and SlimBrowser(IE based).
I used IE to download them.
I am very satisfied with my choices.
I have installed different OSes(Mandrake, Suse, Knoppix(actually installed to HDD)). Removed said OSes, replaced XP to HDD.
No, they didn't play the games/could not find working drivers for my hardware.
I have never eluded to "owing" Microsoft thanks for anything(although, most people today wouldn't be using computers without Microsoft being here). I merely stated, that if an OS(any OS) didn't have a browser, the majority of people that have computers... wouldn't!
"So if IE wasn't preloaded on thes machines then billions of users would be cut off from all types of software downloads from the web (i.e. media players, games, etc)?"
Not "cut off", but greatly hampered. Alot of software *CAN* be found at stores... *ALOT* of other software cannot!
Sure, there are some that can Command Line download "ITEMS", most cannot.
You typed exactly what I was trying to convey...
"...In my opinion, they would be forced by the Justice Department to put some sort of basic web interface into Windows if they did not offer IE."
EXACTLY!
People like to bash Microsoft/IE because it's fashionable...yet most of them will not give up their Microsoft OS and use something different. Same applies to simply not using IE and using whatever browser they wish... but let's bash on IE, because it's fun!
Use whatever floats your boat people, I do! I have an IE based browser as my default, but I also use Opera. BFD!
SIDE NOTE: I have *NEVER* been compromized while using IE or IE based browsers. YMMV.
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DVOOR8
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| reply to UHF
said by UHF : said by DVOOR8 : Ive been using IE for what, like 10-12 years now, and never had a problem. IE didn't exist 10-12 years ago. Mosaic wasn't even around until 1993, and before it, there was no graphical WWW. Everything was text based. I remember using Lynx in 1994 to browse the web from a Unix prompt. Ok, so what 8 years? My bad. |
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