MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
 ·Cox HSI
| Wow.
SBC and M$ in bed together. Scary.
quote:
From there, Microsoft's TV Internet Protocol Television (IPTV) Edition software platform will manage user video content via a set-top box. SBC and Microsoft will have to fend off critics who suggest the 20-25Mbps provided won't be enough to offer full HDTV service, voice service, and broadband as effectively as FTTH or cable carriers - something the companies say they've solved via compression techniques.
I think it's hard to disagree with the fact that SBC is doing this job the half-asked way. Verizon has got it right. In the big picture, eventually, FTTH will be standard practice. SBC's method, allowing only 25mbps TOPS, will just not cut it for more than one HDTV stream + decent internet speeds. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| What's more, what will be the point of having a highspeed connection if it will be completely used just for TV?
"Yeah, I have a 25mbps connection, but I can only use 384k of it because my kids are watching Spongebob."
"Honey, turn off Oxygen, I'm lagging in CS!"
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garcia4
join:2001-10-07
Mystic, CT
| So if project lightspeed is anything that project slowpoke was maybe in 10 years we might see something.... I wonder when SBC finally gets their way what excuse will they use when their new project comes crashing down around their ears? I know it is the cable peoples fault yea thats the ticket... |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to MarkyD
Seeing that this is a IP TV, will there be tracking 'cookies' for Microsoft/Marketers/SBC to determine what I'm watching? Lets see if I get pop-ups on my TV now  |
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DSL12steps
join:2001-12-24
| reply to garcia4
How much bandwith does HDTV really need at this time? I remember when we started installing 1.5 circuits and at that time it was considered fast enough. Listen to us complaining now! I can't believe 20-25 mbps isn't enough for all that we need in 90 percent of the homes. |
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electric_dsl
join:2004-07-20
Pickering, ON | reply to en102
they already know what you are watching and probably for how long as well. How do you think they compile those viewer stats and rankings for TV shows? |
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA | unless you have a tivo/stb that's connected to a phone line, they don't know what you're watching. they get the stats/ratings from surveys.
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got anti-virus and firewall? |
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scooby
Premium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL | reply to DSL12steps
1 HDTV stream is about 20mbps.  |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to DSL12steps
True HDTV is 19.2mbps for a single channel.
quote:
"Yeah, I have a 25mbps connection, but I can only use 384k of it because my kids are watching Spongebob."
"Honey, turn off Oxygen, I'm lagging in CS!"
Exactly. Even if we stick with boring old 6mbps DSL speeds, that leaves only 19mbps for all the TV streams in the house. By recompressing HDTV you can get it down to 10mbps. So even with compression, at 25mbps you're limited to just two channels. If they want to do TV they're probably going to have to dedicate a pair just for TV, and use another pair for voice/broadband.
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mustang03282
join:2003-01-10
Bridgeton, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to zno
they have people that they pay a small fee each month to wear a recorder that looks just like a old pager. every tv show and radio station puts out a ultra high signal that humans cant hear the meter that these choosen people wear hears that signal and logs it down. I was a arbitron pannelist for about 6 months
lol my wife called up comcast often because lifetime didnt work on our tv's for that 6 months |
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA
| reply to djrobx
quote:
True HDTV is 19.2mbps for a single channel.
that's if they use mpeg2.
but if they use MS WMV9 HD codec, it's gonna be about 6Mbps per channel... so you should be able to watch up to 4 channels at a time.
sbc signed w/ microsoft not mpeg... so we'll see.
»www.microsoft.com/windows/window···CIP.aspx
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griff1013
join:2002-01-10
Virginia Beach, VA
| I have read reviews from folks who have seen side by side comparisons of the pictures of the MSFT codec and the HDTV stream from Comcast and they indicated that they could clearly see the difference with the MSFT codec and it was significantly worse. I can't see how you are going to get a HDTV customer from a cable company with a worse picture. Folks spend lots of cash on those nice new tvs.
I agree that SBC is just pusing out press releases and lots of vapor ware. As I recall Project Pronto was supposed to be what Project Lightspeed is, but done some 10 years ago. So not holding my breath. FTTH is only way to go now. Cable guys can easiily move to 30mb on the downstream. Comcast should have 95% of their systems up to DOCSIS 1.1 and a good deal to 2.0 for the huge VoIP rollout coming in 2005. That would support up to 100mb downstream. AND they are broadcasting all the video content all at the same time. Changing channles on IPTV is said to be very slow as it has to go to the server change the stream.
I can't wait to reboot my new SBC/MSFT set-top box when I get the BSD!!!! |
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA
| reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: Wow. /Ether over copper
There are some ethernet techs in the pipe that that should push between 50-100mbs up too 10k feet over 22g copper which would help in the burbs at least.
Now whether the Telco's can find their azzes with both hands a long neck funnel that remains to be seen. |
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johram
join:2004-01-06
Colton, CA | reply to MarkyD
Re: Wow.
Does this mean that SBC will install an RT closer to my home?
I'd love to have faster dsl... |
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA
1 edit | nm |
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johram
join:2004-01-06
Colton, CA
1 edit | reply to MarkyD
It seems that in the coming years a big question home buyers will be asking is "what kind of high speed internet is availible at this home?".
i totally would prefer a verzion with fiber than an SBC-serviced area.
It will play into my home purchase thats for sure... |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to griff1013
Do you have a link for that review all I could find with MS and Comcast in it was a press release saying that Comcast and MS would be working together on TV software (including HD).
»www.microsoft.com/tv/content/Pre···4PR.mspx
I'd be interested in seeing yours though for a more complete picture.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to mustang03282
Comcast = yuck
I guess they did do one thing correct - they killed hallmark/lifetime/wtn/oxygen channel for you. |
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | reply to zno
I think the MS HD codec requires a 3GHz CPU to decompress that 6Mbit stream. I don't see how their going to cram a 3GHz cpu in a set top box without making it sound like a jet engine. |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| They wouldn't they would use a slower single purpose processor which would be much more efficient. (Rather than strapping a PC to the top of your TV)
Not that it matters but my PC is a 3GHz and its whisper quiet since I used quiet components.
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