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Re: Their country is smaller
said by Nerdtalker  :Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? Not to mention Japanese citizens are a lot more interested in new technologies than the average American. BBR folks need to face it, not everyone in the United States is soooo concerned about broadband. If it comes along and its cheap (and not necessarily fast), sure why not but its not a must have item. Oh and population density does matter a lot when deploying new technologies, but it isn't the only concern. To answer, then why not in New York and Los Angeles. Well folks think about the socio-economic situations in those densly-populated areas.
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| said by Anon00 :Not to mention Japanese citizens are a lot more interested in new technologies than the average American. BBR folks need to face it, not everyone in the United States is soooo concerned about broadband. If it comes along and its cheap (and not necessarily fast), sure why not but its not a must have item. Oh and population density does matter a lot when deploying new technologies, but it isn't the only concern. To answer, then why not in New York and Los Angeles. Well folks think about the socio-economic situations in those densely-populated areas. That's what I'm trying to say.
What company is going to spend the money to invest in laying new fiber, delivering a new service, and hoping that enough people care or know enough to actually subscribe for more bandwidth.
Let's face it, Average Joe knows didly-squat about what throughput means in terms of the "experience". To them, page load times are the only benchmark of real-world speed. With that in mind, most current sites don't even begin to saturate Joe's pipe. DNS servers are the weak link here, followed by the webserver itself.
I'd agree, Americans just don't know enough to want more bandwidth.
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| said by Nerdtalker :Let's face it, Average Joe knows didly-squat...I'd agree, Americans just don't know enough to want more bandwidth. To paraphrase what you're saying: The average American is just too ignorant. The Japanese are much more educated. |
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said by Nerdtalker : What company is going to spend the money to invest in laying new fiber, delivering a new service, and hoping that enough people care or know enough to actually subscribe for more bandwidth. That is why government needs to step in some times and set a direction for the market. It is hardly controversial to say that the competitive countries of the 21st century will be ones with the best communications infrastructure, or certainly have an advantage with the best communications infrastructure. And that means fiber, and fiber everywhere. NTT is still heavily influenced by government policy in Japan, which is heavily driven by export competitiveness. If the US is prepared to offer tax incentives to buy 6000lb SUVs in the name of (I don't know what) then it should step in and accelerate fiber deployment, yes, using taxpayer dollars. |
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Perhaps they have different values...perhaps they just don't care...not because they are 'ignorant', as some here would like everyone to believe, but because they have different interests, and their whole life doesn't revolve around the Internet.
The two cultures are vastly different.
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said by justin : said by Nerdtalker : What company is going to spend the money to invest in laying new fiber, delivering a new service, and hoping that enough people care or know enough to actually subscribe for more bandwidth. That is why government needs to step in some times and set a direction for the market. It is hardly controversial to say that the competitive countries of the 21st century will be ones with the best communications infrastructure, or certainly have an advantage with the best communications infrastructure. And that means fiber, and fiber everywhere. NTT is still heavily influenced by government policy in Japan, which is heavily driven by export competitiveness. If the US is prepared to offer tax incentives to buy 6000lb SUVs in the name of (I don't know what) then it should step in and accelerate fiber deployment, yes, using taxpayer dollars. Goverment is going to fix internets you say? Got some wood?
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Anon00
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said by bamboox : said by Nerdtalker :Let's face it, Average Joe knows didly-squat...I'd agree, Americans just don't know enough to want more bandwidth. To paraphrase what you're saying: The average American is just too ignorant. The Japanese are much more educated. Seeing as his response was a response to me I'd like to answer this. Americans just don't really care. They don't know enough to need all that bandwidth because they don't care to find out. It's not about being stupid its about what matters and there are bigger issues in the world (family, life, getting laid, etc) to worry about how fat your pipe is. I mean really, wtf does an average person need a 20-100Mb pipe for. I mean, personally I'd love that. I have wet dreams about it. But our culture isn't as techno-fad crazy as the Japanese (and Korean) cultures (not saying either one is good or bad). I'd say our boom is coming in the next 4-6 years. What will really help this along, besides friendlier local regulations, is something that makes Americans either really want Broadband or making it so cheap that its like paying for phone service. I think as services (TV, phone, etc), especially business services, get increasingly digitalized we'll see the cost of broadband solutions go down and interest by consumers go up.
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| couldnt agree more here. id kill for a t1 or t3 right now let alone a fiber connection. id die happy if i had fiber. but am i going to see it any time soon? id have a much better chance getting struck by lightning than getting fiber in the next couple years.
only advice i can say is to hold out another decade or so when (hopefully) the population starts becoming more tech-saavy. then we should see some more demand for faster broadband. |
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said by bamboox : said by Nerdtalker :Let's face it, Average Joe knows didly-squat...I'd agree, Americans just don't know enough to want more bandwidth. To paraphrase what you're saying: The average American is just too ignorant. The Japanese are much more educated. Thank you for sticking words in my mouth, since that's not what I said.
The post I was replying to explained that Americans aren't as interested in seeing even faster speeds delivered to their house at this point, since most either haven't been exposed to broadband, or don't know what to do with the bandwidth they already have. 
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said by justin :If the US is prepared to offer tax incentives to buy 6000lb SUVs in the name of (I don't know what) then it should step in and accelerate fiber deployment, yes, using taxpayer dollars. For once, I'd agree. We need to get pushed in the right direction on this one.
Not necessarily by intervening through subsidizing broadband, but by offering tax relief or write-offs/incentives to companies that are actively encouraging the deployment of fiber.
Hopefully, as broadband becomes more popular, people will demand more bandwidth, and thus fiber.
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