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b_zen
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Re: Their country is smaller
Let's rephrase that. How about:
Japan has a higher qualified Engineering workforce.
Japan (as other European countries) has a more sociological implementation of technology. Now, don't get me wrong, I know that getting first posts mean that you sometime need to be quick on the writing, and then edit as you wish...
I was in NL, where in the city of Eindhoven, you can get a minimum of 10/10Mbps and if you choose to participate in a study or "beta", you get Ethernet speeds.
The problem with the US, is its 20th century like thinking, where mega-corp mamas think they can retain control over all aspects of the information technology, or call it otherwise, anything-internet-bounded.
That won't work, even though owning the actual fiber, or infrastructure is key as of now. Look up to other venues such as wireless, OFDM, WIMAX, UWB and such, and you shall see that a gazillion of options are available or soon to be implemented.
To get back to your initial post, Japan is much smaller than the US in sheer size, however, it's a microcosm; Japan is much bigger than the US, on a square-mile rate. The concentration makes it more able to think/act quickly. So yes, the Asian peninsula, along with other smaller countries, will keep kicking the US in the behind on this kind of topic.
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said by thaths darn right:
but they're not exporting anything good lately, They're living off the wealth of the Go-GO 1980's..
You're so wrong. They are next door to china. They export construction, technology and know-how into that furnace by the billion-load. And last time I looked, almost all consumer electronics were japanese or korean except for, what, the ipod? |
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thaths darn right
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Passed, not served... Japan is different, you can string fiber under a small city and that would be enough for all of Japan, but they're not exporting anything good lately, They're living off the wealth of the Go-GO 1980's... as is much of US, with the exception of those who are in the ENERGY business |
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TBC1
join:2002-05-31
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| reply to jeffster1970
said by jeffster1970  : Great Britain is similar in area of that of Japan, and a population that is not significantly smaller, yet they are still plugging along at 512kbs. GB's population is more than significantly smaller, like well less than half of that of Japan (60 million in GB to 127 million in Japan). |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY | reply to Nerdtalker
Fed up with America
I am seriously considering learning Japanese/Korean and moving to either Japan or South Korea in the future.
America is behind in everything involving technology. |
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Nerdtalker
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Re: Their country is smaller
said by justin :If the US is prepared to offer tax incentives to buy 6000lb SUVs in the name of (I don't know what) then it should step in and accelerate fiber deployment, yes, using taxpayer dollars. For once, I'd agree. We need to get pushed in the right direction on this one.
Not necessarily by intervening through subsidizing broadband, but by offering tax relief or write-offs/incentives to companies that are actively encouraging the deployment of fiber.
Hopefully, as broadband becomes more popular, people will demand more bandwidth, and thus fiber.
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Nerdtalker
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said by bamboox : said by Nerdtalker :Let's face it, Average Joe knows didly-squat...I'd agree, Americans just don't know enough to want more bandwidth. To paraphrase what you're saying: The average American is just too ignorant. The Japanese are much more educated. Thank you for sticking words in my mouth, since that's not what I said.
The post I was replying to explained that Americans aren't as interested in seeing even faster speeds delivered to their house at this point, since most either haven't been exposed to broadband, or don't know what to do with the bandwidth they already have. 
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couldnt agree more here. id kill for a t1 or t3 right now let alone a fiber connection. id die happy if i had fiber. but am i going to see it any time soon? id have a much better chance getting struck by lightning than getting fiber in the next couple years.
only advice i can say is to hold out another decade or so when (hopefully) the population starts becoming more tech-saavy. then we should see some more demand for faster broadband. |
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IGGY
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Actually they have methods to make installing fiber much easier. No need to dig up roads etc. You would also think that the supposed most technologically advanced nation on the planet. Would at least be able to compete with other nations in this regard.
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said by soothsayer15 : said by maartena : said by Nerdtalker :Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? That explains why 70% of the U.S. cannot get and will never get FTTH most likely. It does not explain why there is pretty much NO FTTH available in the entire Greater Los Angeles area which is packed up with 16 million inhabitants. You'd think they would at least be able to do SOMETHING for the 30% of the population that lives in very urbanized areas, but in reality there isn't even FTTH availabilty to even a full 1 percent of the population. Its that way in most European cities too by the way, but they are making an effort there like in Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands there are projects to fiber up entire cities in the next 5 years. This is what's I'm talking about. Random statistics that mean nothing coming from thin air. actually it seems that they're coming from logic. Out of 300 million people, 30 million of which live in New York City or Los Angeles. Another 30+ million live in cities like Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco, Atlanta, etc...
I'd say that his 30% statistic could hold some water.
As far as his FTTH claim, I'd be willing to believe that too. Out of all of the information that I've looked at, i'd actually say it's probably even less than 1% though. Only a very small number of select expensive neighborhoods around the nation have direct access to Fiber internet connectivity. I wouldn't think that 3 million people have Fiber connectivity.
On to the Euro cities - I have no clue. I know that Sweden provides 10mbps and 100mbps connectivity for around the same prices we pay here for cable. Just look at the swedish ISPs and you'll see for yourself. As far as Germany - i'm not sure. Although I hear that Former East Germany has massive Fiber buildout, I haven't heard anything in regards to the rest of it.
Random Statistics pulled from thin air? I don't think so. A simple google search would back up most of those claims. |
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Anon00
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Re: Their country is smaller
said by bamboox : said by Nerdtalker :Let's face it, Average Joe knows didly-squat...I'd agree, Americans just don't know enough to want more bandwidth. To paraphrase what you're saying: The average American is just too ignorant. The Japanese are much more educated. Seeing as his response was a response to me I'd like to answer this. Americans just don't really care. They don't know enough to need all that bandwidth because they don't care to find out. It's not about being stupid its about what matters and there are bigger issues in the world (family, life, getting laid, etc) to worry about how fat your pipe is. I mean really, wtf does an average person need a 20-100Mb pipe for. I mean, personally I'd love that. I have wet dreams about it. But our culture isn't as techno-fad crazy as the Japanese (and Korean) cultures (not saying either one is good or bad). I'd say our boom is coming in the next 4-6 years. What will really help this along, besides friendlier local regulations, is something that makes Americans either really want Broadband or making it so cheap that its like paying for phone service. I think as services (TV, phone, etc), especially business services, get increasingly digitalized we'll see the cost of broadband solutions go down and interest by consumers go up.
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said by Nerdtalker :Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? The problem with that argument is that Japan's telco industry in ONE company, NTT. In the US, with several players, the ability to wire the US with fiber is diffused amongst the different telecom players.
Size really isn't the problem as much as it is the marketability of fiber. The fact is that the average America is just that, average... Average income, average intelligence, average interest in technology, etc.
The problem is that you have to convince a person that confuses memory with hard disk space to get something called "fiber optic broadband." Until you can get most people interested in that, the economics of the situation don't bode well for the more technically inclined since the majority of the population really doesn't care how many bits they can get down a pipe... They don't download ISOs or heavy content. They just want it to work.
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Kim Jong
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Re: The important number
said by Automate :Well, if you were a business and every time your accountant was off by a factor of 2 in his calculations, you would probably be out of business pretty quick.  Tell that to Enron please.
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1 edit | reply to Kim Jong
Well, if you were a business and every time your accountant was off by a factor of 2 in his calculations, you would probably be out of business pretty quick. |
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Automate
join:2001-06-26
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·Comcast
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said by dk1983 :Your formula is wrong there Automate because if that was the case that company would get there ROI in one month. If it has 30 Mill. subscribers. Huh? how do you come up with that? |
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Kim Jong
Mo Dollar Plz
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| reply to Automate
said by Automate :Guess you did not read the article. They said the system will reach half of the population, not all of them. Wow that does make a big difference we have like 0 people with fiber.
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Automate
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Atlanta, GA | reply to jeffster1970
Guess you did not read the article. They said the system will reach half of the population, not all of them. |
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Kim Jong
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Re: Their country is smaller
What about more wood? |
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