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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs:	Their country is smaller Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more?
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Minister join:2002-01-02 Fleeting	Yes, you do need to say more. Since that would indicate we'd at least see serious residential fiber deployments in compressed urban areas like New York City if congestion was the only obstacle.
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maartena Stacked. Premium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to Nerdtalker said by Nerdtalker : Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? That explains why 70% of the U.S. cannot get and will never get FTTH most likely. It does not explain why there is pretty much NO FTTH available in the entire Greater Los Angeles area which is packed up with 16 million inhabitants. You'd think they would at least be able to do SOMETHING for the 30% of the population that lives in very urbanized areas, but in reality there isn't even FTTH availabilty to even a full 1 percent of the population. Its that way in most European cities too by the way, but they are making an effort there like in Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands there are projects to fiber up entire cities in the next 5 years. -- And i'm right. I'm always right, but this time I'm a little more right then I usually am.
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gatorkram Spelling and Grammer impared Premium join:2002-07-22 Winterville, NC clubs: ·Embarq ·linode	reply to Nerdtalker said by Nerdtalker : Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? That has nothing to do with it, and frankly I am very tired of this excuse. All you have to do, is compare to two figures mentioned in the article, to see the problem. What was it, 47 Billion, vs 800 million? Yeah, the size thing must really be it. -- Give me bandwidth or give me death!
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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs:	reply to Minister said by Minister : urban areas like New York City if congestion was the only obstacle. It might be more than congestion, it might be that the infrastructure under the streets is hard to access. Think about it, working under the streets on a massive scale in New York? Just to deliver faster bandwidth to people who already don't know how to utilize it? Doesn't sound economically sound to me. -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey I'm testing Gmail's spam filters, fill it up: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam to date: 2
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lyls @tele.dk from: woody7	reply to Nerdtalker i still dont get why so many of you americans on here always defend the companies by saying "oh the us is so much better" dont you guys want fiber? let the companies know you want it...... personally id almost kill for fiber
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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs:	said by lyls: i still dont get why so many of you americans on here always defend the companies by saying "oh the us is so much better" dont you guys want fiber? let the companies know you want it...... personally id almost kill for fiber Do you have fiber? I'd doubt it, especially since you're from a danish ADSL provider. I'd hardly kill for fiber. -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey I'm testing Gmail's spam filters, fill it up: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam to date: 2
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MxxCon join:1999-11-19 Brooklyn, NY clubs:	reply to lyls everybody and their grandma want 'phat-pipe', but as soon as we start asking for it, these corporate whores will invent even more fake taxes and surcharges. in that case it'll be cheaper to run fiber from japan:) -- [Sig removed by Administrator: Signature can not exceed 20GB]
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Anon00 Premium join:2001-09-25 USA	reply to Nerdtalker said by Nerdtalker : Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? Not to mention Japanese citizens are a lot more interested in new technologies than the average American. BBR folks need to face it, not everyone in the United States is soooo concerned about broadband. If it comes along and its cheap (and not necessarily fast), sure why not but its not a must have item. Oh and population density does matter a lot when deploying new technologies, but it isn't the only concern. To answer, then why not in New York and Los Angeles. Well folks think about the socio-economic situations in those densly-populated areas. -- "Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent." - Friedrich Nietzsche"'It's the law' is just an excuse for the unintelligent to remain that way" - Me
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DaSneaky1D one wall to block them all Premium,MVM join:2001-03-29 The Lou ·Charter Pipeline	reply to Nerdtalker Uh, do you realize that the depth under NY is almost equal to its height? There is NO problem with working under NY. Besides, feeds would likely be topside. If anything, it's the mentality of people here. Japan has the understanding that IP communication (and truly converged communication) is the way of the future. These people use video communication as part of life, not a novelty of it. We're still trying to get over the VoIP hurdle. -- ] :: my trivial ramblings :: [
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justin Australian join:1999-05-28 Brooklyn, NY	reply to Nerdtalker have you seen a japanese urban street? you think it is easy there? they can't even run roadworks unless they are done at 1am and all plated over by 6am.
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soothsayer15 join:2002-03-01 Irving, TX	reply to maartena This is what's I'm talking about. Random statistics that mean nothing coming from thin air.
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soothsayer15 join:2002-03-01 Irving, TX	reply to maartena said by maartena : said by Nerdtalker : Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? That explains why 70% of the U.S. cannot get and will never get FTTH most likely. It does not explain why there is pretty much NO FTTH available in the entire Greater Los Angeles area which is packed up with 16 million inhabitants. You'd think they would at least be able to do SOMETHING for the 30% of the population that lives in very urbanized areas, but in reality there isn't even FTTH availabilty to even a full 1 percent of the population. Its that way in most European cities too by the way, but they are making an effort there like in Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands there are projects to fiber up entire cities in the next 5 years. This is what's I'm talking about. Random statistics that mean nothing coming from thin air.
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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs:	reply to Anon00 said by Anon00 : Not to mention Japanese citizens are a lot more interested in new technologies than the average American. BBR folks need to face it, not everyone in the United States is soooo concerned about broadband. If it comes along and its cheap (and not necessarily fast), sure why not but its not a must have item. Oh and population density does matter a lot when deploying new technologies, but it isn't the only concern. To answer, then why not in New York and Los Angeles. Well folks think about the socio-economic situations in those densely-populated areas. That's what I'm trying to say. What company is going to spend the money to invest in laying new fiber, delivering a new service, and hoping that enough people care or know enough to actually subscribe for more bandwidth. Let's face it, Average Joe knows didly-squat about what throughput means in terms of the "experience". To them, page load times are the only benchmark of real-world speed. With that in mind, most current sites don't even begin to saturate Joe's pipe. DNS servers are the weak link here, followed by the webserver itself. I'd agree, Americans just don't know enough to want more bandwidth. -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey I'm testing Gmail's spam filters, fill it up: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam to date: 2
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Automate join:2001-06-26 Atlanta, GA ·Comcast	reply to gatorkram The important number The important number is 47B/30M = $1567 per home When you consider most people are not going to be willing to pay more than $100/month for combined Internet/phone/TV and after the cost of sales, tech support, billing, Internet backbone cost, TV programming cost (ESPN etc.) they maybe would end up with $25 profit per home per month. 1567/ 25 = 5.22 year pay back. Most American companies are not going to go for a 5+ year pay back on investment. They would rather wait a few years until the cost per home has gone down in half.
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bamboox join:2000-12-15 Renton, WA	reply to Nerdtalker Re: Their country is smaller said by Nerdtalker : Let's face it, Average Joe knows didly-squat...I'd agree, Americans just don't know enough to want more bandwidth. To paraphrase what you're saying: The average American is just too ignorant. The Japanese are much more educated.
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Kim Jong Mo Dollar Plz Premium join:2002-09-01 North Korea	reply to Nerdtalker said by Nerdtalker : Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? No please don't say ANYTHING else. -- »dickcream.com/tandem/ DC/GNAA/YTMND representing world wide.
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dk1983 join:2003-10-18 Boise, ID clubs: ·Qwest.net 1 edit	reply to Automate Re: The important number Your formula is wrong there Automate because if that was the case that company would get there ROI in one month. If it has 30 Mill. subscribers. Now if that company wanted a ROI in two years that drops the price to 65.29 per user per month. Thats only two years. Now at 4 years thats 32.64 a month.
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DaDogs Semper Vigilantis Premium join:2004-02-28 Deltaville, VA	reply to Automate said by Automate : The important number is 47B/30M = $1567 per home When you consider most people are not going to be willing to pay more than $100/month for combined Internet/phone/TV and after the cost of sales, tech support, billing, Internet backbone cost, TV programming cost (ESPN etc.) they maybe would end up with $25 profit per home per month. 1567/ 25 = 5.22 year pay back. Most American companies are not going to go for a 5+ year pay back on investment. They would rather wait a few years until the cost per home has gone down in half. Actually I believe that is 1567.00 per person. Probably more like 4000.00 per home. Pay back may come in ten years if recurring costs are not too high. Hey I am all for FTTH for the entire LA basin, if they want to pay for it themselves with their own tax dollars and none of mine. -- In the background stand the Clinton's bloody switchblade in hand, never to be blamed, but still in the running for '08.
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justin Australian join:1999-05-28 Brooklyn, NY Host: IPv6 Business Connectiv.. Home/Office setup .. Console/Handheld g.. Console Tech	reply to Nerdtalker Re: Their country is smaller said by Nerdtalker : What company is going to spend the money to invest in laying new fiber, delivering a new service, and hoping that enough people care or know enough to actually subscribe for more bandwidth. That is why government needs to step in some times and set a direction for the market. It is hardly controversial to say that the competitive countries of the 21st century will be ones with the best communications infrastructure, or certainly have an advantage with the best communications infrastructure. And that means fiber, and fiber everywhere. NTT is still heavily influenced by government policy in Japan, which is heavily driven by export competitiveness. If the US is prepared to offer tax incentives to buy 6000lb SUVs in the name of (I don't know what) then it should step in and accelerate fiber deployment, yes, using taxpayer dollars.
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