AJ023
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4 edits | What can I do to help Mafter?
Reminds me of the Grand Cayman islands as well with regards to C+W having a full monopoly and they banned VOIP there too. I actually wrote a letter to the editor of a grand cayman paper on the issue and they posted it. I think it was in responce to an article in there, but I dont recall. I should google for it. I really should have done more on the issue though and I admire Ilya Mafter so much and if I can do anything to help him and his family and to fight Ill be there beside him. George Soros is a terrific man as well, no matter what you believe about his political leanings, he has done enourmous work with his organization.
Iilya Mafter Im sure did nothing wrong except to fight against existing laws that were unfair.
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Doctor Olds
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| It appears that he also took money that was not his. Is that a component part of Democraticies? Do you still support his actions including the funds that were misappropriated?
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"Mafter is a United Nations Development Program expert. He was responsible for financing various programs, including information ones. Mafter has misappropriated some of the funds entrusted to him," Yerin said.
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hailinfantry
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said by AJ023  :
Reminds me of the Grand Cayman islands as well with regards to C+W having a full monopoly and they banned VOIP there too. I actually wrote a letter to the editor of a grand cayman paper on the issue and they posted it. I think it was in responce to an article in there, but I dont recall. I should google for it. I really should have done more on the issue though and I admire Ilya Mafter so much and if I can do anything to help him and his family and to fight Ill be there beside him. George Soros is a terrific man as well, no matter what you believe about his political leanings, he has done enourmous work with his organization.
Iilya Mafter Im sure did nothing wrong except to fight against existing laws that were unfair.
Free unfettered communications is a necessary component of all democracies.
You'll be right beside him? You mean you'll serve time in a Russian Prison with him to support his situation? That's pretty honorable  |
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
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It appears that he also took money that was not his. Is that a component part of Democraticies? Do you still support his actions including the funds that were misappropriated?
Actually thats the problem here. Mafter was one which stuck up for freedom over corrupt governments. That was not PROVEN in a free democracy and he is innocent until proven guilty. And if he did misappropriate funds knowingly how is that even a violation? In the USA we would not allow voip to be killed no matter what. Standing up on principle in contrast to what you are allocated funds to IF its in the interests of the citizens.
I admire Mafter deeply and to what he is committed to. If you know about his background and do research into it, you will see this is a man devoted to free people.
Sorry but I disagree with your premise in allocation of funds. It really depends on if he indeed is PROVEN to be guilty of such with US Standards of law, unfortunately this is belarus and that could be a factor if they even convict him, but I dont know much about the legal system over there. In my opinion however, it sounds like the government has corrupt ties with the telco and Mafter is acting with morals and ethics to fight for such, of which he has devoted his whole life to free communications and the internet and everything like that. |
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
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International pressure will get him out of jail.
Here is what he was trying to do in the soviet union:
»www.isoc.org/HMP/PAPER/160/abst.html
Now if you believe that its not worth it to fight for freedom, then you would be in a rogue non democratic state like the ones where many of our ancestors came from before they become americans.
We fought long and hard for freedom. John McCain for example spent years in a POW camp for reasons of morality because he did not want to give the enemy a propaganda win and wanted so badly for his fellow troops to succeed.
Iilya Mafter has always fought for what is right and will continue to do so. He has never wound up in trouble with the law from his true homeland. Belarus yes because he was fighting against a corrupt regime for the changes outlined in the link I posted.
He to me is a true inspiration and someone I deeply admire. |
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hailinfantry
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1 edit | said by AJ023 :
International pressure will get him out of jail.
Here is what he was trying to do in the soviet union:
»www.isoc.org/HMP/PAPER/160/abst.html
Now if you believe that its not worth it to fight for freedom, then you would be in a rogue non democratic state like the ones where many of our ancestors came from before they become americans.
We fought long and hard for freedom. John McCain for example spent years in a POW camp for reasons of morality because he did not want to give the enemy a propaganda win and wanted so badly for his fellow troops to succeed.
Iilya Mafter has always fought for what is right and will continue to do so. He has never wound up in trouble with the law from his true homeland. Belarus yes because he was fighting against a corrupt regime for the changes outlined in the link I posted.
He to me is a true inspiration and someone I deeply admire.
I can't imagine how you could lecture me on freedom fighting when I served this country in several major combat engagements as a Ranger officer. I served my country well in the infantry...I put my money where my mouth is...yet you keep talking. I wasn't captured, I was however wounded in the thigh by a .45 sidearm. I watched my comrades spill their vitality on the fields of battle. Sir, how dare you say something like that to me. Enjoy sitting behind your PC and your virtual soapbox while someone actually does something.
Don't tell me that I don't want to fight for or appreciate freedom. Freedom ain't free, I bloody paid for it! |
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Chicago, IL | Don't be so vain. This discussion is not about you and nobody is accusing you of anything. Get over yourself, OK. Article does not read "INSERT YOUR NAME HERE, is a hero". Got it!?! |
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hailinfantry
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Don't be so vain. This discussion is not about you and nobody is accusing you of anything. Get over yourself, OK. Article does not read "INSERT YOUR NAME HERE, is a hero". Got it!?!
Ah yes, but it does say "insert your name as a jackass"? |
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said by AJ023 :Iilya Mafter has always fought for what is right and will continue to do so. He has never wound up in trouble with the law from his true homeland. Belarus yes because he was fighting against a corrupt regime for the changes outlined in the link I posted. You and he may think he is fighting for freedom. What he is really fighting for is the right for George Soros to go into Belarus and make a fortune by taking over their financial institutions.
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AJ023
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| Im just going to ignore tomkcr. Im a moderate republican who supported John McCain last time, and I know damn well thank you very much that Soros is not interested in his personal fortune or taking advantage of the citizens. You should see the excellent work Soros did around the world to promote freedom. Soros also had a major impact especially in my community when he funded JetBlue which is based right here which is the most honest and ethically oriented airline in an industry often known as horrendous.
In terms of his work across the globe, he has literally helped many societies and I could go into great detail but thats not really relevant for purposes of this discussion. But see for yourself at his own website.
I find it offensive when people make comments just to stir up hatred. Now Soros is a democrat and theres no denying that and you can argue his policies. But to go and say soros is doing this for his own self interest, you are DEAD wrong.
Do I disagree with Soros and the principle of socialism, yes I do in some aspects. But to question someones character like that, well lets just say its often done too much these days in bad taste I may add on both sides of the isle. |
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Cyaneyes
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If you read his post carefully, you would see that he's saying that IF you believe fighting for freedom isn't worth it, you would be in a rogue non-democratic state.
But since you're an American, you clearly believe that fighting for freedom IS worth it. He's not insulting you. He's praising you, and the American spirit.
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Redmarauder
@217.205.x.x | LOL An American being lectured over semantics by another American, blind leading the blind anyone? |
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hailinfantry
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LOL An American being lectured over semantics by another American, blind leading the blind anyone?
If we're blind, then the blind are leading the world.
Cheese with your whine? |
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