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brandon
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Hurley, MS
Finally

It's about time.


Ryno
The Wanderer
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Danielsville, PA
Yeh right, lets give the phone companies more breaks while they still refuse to invest outside of towns. Phone and cable keep upping the ante in town yet ignoring those people whos houses aren't 20 per block.


brandon
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Hurley, MS
I'm living proof of the opposite my friend.


SpitefulCrow
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Berkeley, CA
reply to Ryno
You know why? Because they LOSE MONEY if they do so. No company worth its salt will take actions that result in a net loss.


Ryno
The Wanderer
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Danielsville, PA
reply to brandon
WE know this, yet they continue to lie and tell the government they will be able to provide everyone with 10000mb of broadband. The government buys it, then cuts them big breaks and they are the only winners.


SpitefulCrow
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Then maybe the government should stop buying into what they say.
And the way to do that is to get people to vote for candidates that oppose tax breaks and subsidies.


silverlining100

@optonline.net

reply to brandon
Yes, but under this plan my guess is that there will come a point where the copper plan will dillapidate and 'whither on the vine' so to speak... while fiber gets all the attention.. albiet not today-- but in the next 2 decades- it simply is not wise to run copper for such long distances where data is neccessary unless they get reasonable costs under control to deal with bw attenuation.. with dsl, its simply not practical to put remote terminals at EVERY point that the signal degrades too much.. fiber runs are the way to go.. now telcos just need to deliver, deploy and actually provide service, and cablecos will follow suit..
pity the thought that VZ would offer voip, 15mbit data and 150 channels for like $100/mo with a free installation, router and video box (terminal)
not to mention, fiber buildouts will be 622:122mbits bandwidth capable.. it's like having a dedicated 1:1 connection with 50-90% bw(more or less) under HFC direct to the cable plant (fiber hub) and not shared..

niko01

join:2004-01-19
Houston, TX

reply to Ryno
"More breaks?!?!" Ok, let me see if I get this... Saying that, "yes, Mr. BOC, you can invest billions of dollars in a network and we will not nationalize it and make you "share" it..." is giving them a break?

Harkening back to the days of the old monopoly is getting really really old. If you forgot, they broke AT&T up 22 years ago. The CLECs could have used those 22 years to invest in infrastructure or diversify. They did not.

The real competition is not between ILEC and CLEC - it is between DSL and cable, wireline and wireless, cable and satellite, copper and fiber.

I pay $46.95 per month for DSL and unlimited long distance - those two combined are less than my AT&T wireless bill. What, on the face of this planet, as a consumer, in your wildest dreams, could you possibly have to bitch about if someone wants to invest billions in more infrastructure and not be forced by a bloated, political, regulatory agency, to share it with people who do not have enough sense to invet in their OWN businesses...?


Ryno
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Danielsville, PA
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reply to brandon
niko01,
I am not refering to years ago, I'm refering to now.

Come to PA, you don't know how things run in this part of the country. Verizon got BILLIONS in tax breaks with the promise they would deliver broadband widespread. They did not even come close to their promise. Typical government said, no problem. Billions in breaks, no product, NO consequenses.


SpitefulCrow
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Berkeley, CA

Again. If Verizon gets tax breaks for doing nothing, stop electing the Representatives and Senators that PASS these tax breaks. That's how the political system is supposed to work. The reason it doesn't is that less than half of the eligible population votes.


Roger245

@cyrusone.com

reply to brandon
I live about 15 miles west of the city limits of Houston and I have no broadband service - I use ISDN.

I am about 8 miles from my Central Office, which has DSL but my lines go through a Remote Terminal that is not DSL-capable. Currently, SBC is laying fiber right in front of my home. They painted liens to me pedestal and installed a new pedestal on a vacant lot next to mine and hooked it up directly to the fiber. The installation crew say they are laying fiber for phone and computer lines. I was pessimistic, thinking SBC was bypassing me to some new neighborhoods being developed past me. But with the crew hooking up a pedestal and painting lines to mine (say SBC will hook-it-up later) and then reading about Project Lightspeed, I am starting to think I will have a fiber to my premises connection.

Should I be optimistic - from what I wrote, does it sound as SBC is hooking me up to fiber?
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