BosstonesOwn
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Re: Zombies
Problem being is that new users to new technologies always going to make mistakes and some times people don't want them making mistakes on their systems. That is business. They don't want a new guy working on their 50 k cisco switch who is not familiar with the OS he is using. It makes your company look bad when the guy goes in and has to look threw 20 man pages for a simple command and it's switches or syntax.
Learning is a very important part of IT. If you don't learn you are obsolete, that is just the facts.
Pardon the pun on the "breaking out" part coming. When they "break out" of their box it is very possible they could "break out" a network or a very important server. Depends on where your clients lay. I know I have had to do some swaps before that made them very angry at even having the switch down for 2 or 3 minutes.
People learning quickly for you is good fortune shining upon you at this point. But it is not always the case. Me personally I know enough of how it all works to be dangerous with the wrong tools. But I also understand enough to fix any fubr conditions quickly and efficiently.
On the hiring point If I was an IT manager ( I have been reduced to contract switch monkey  from a tech) I would rather have people with a wide base to start and let them learn from others.
But When it comes to making them make a switch from windows to linux, that is in my book a big no-no, especially if the person has a very profound understanding of networking and security. Windows and Linux security are separate animals. The windows approach to security he may understand may leave a big hole in the system by accident. Besides what matter is the OS if the person is competent. I know many people who can do anything linux can on windows. And they run very securely threw multiple systems.
I have seen people take down whole servers by a one slip up in how ip chains takes switches. Was pretty funny having to fix it after the genius hammered it but It was not exactly an ideal situation when you have to travel 35 miles to do it in 20 minutes.
Sort of all over the place I guess but it comes down to learning is not the only thing. It is wrong to take a person who is great with one OS and force them to another solution. You take away their experience which puts them on a lower level. And makes them less valuable to your organization until he can become proficient in the new system. Which depending on the person could be months or years.
I am lucky I guess, I have knack for picking up on mostly anything tech based I read about, especially since I can pretty much memorize page for page of manuals.
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TamaraB
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| said by BosstonesOwn  :
Problem being is that new users to new technologies always going to make mistakes ...
Right on! However to me, windows is the "new technology", the new kid on the block; if it can't do UUCP it's raw-new! 
Amazing how some people think nix systems are "new technologies", when they actually pre-date windows by decades!
Bob
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BosstonesOwn
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| said by TamaraB :
said by BosstonesOwn :
Problem being is that new users to new technologies always going to make mistakes ...
Right on! However to me, windows is the "new technology", the new kid on the block; if it can't do UUCP it's raw-new!
Amazing how some people think nix systems are "new technologies", when they actually pre-date windows by decades!
Bob
No you misread.
I know how old unix is. However Linux is circa 1992-1993 so newer then windows.
And your misunderstanding is how I said new technology. To a life long windows user unix is new. So please leave the linux guru attitude at the door. It will quickly be wiped out when one fails to read into responses.
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TamaraB
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| said by BosstonesOwn :
No you misread.
I know how old unix is. However Linux is circa 1992-1993 so newer then windows.
You are quibbling about variations on an old theme. Linux is nothing more than a replacement for SCO Xenix (an X-86 version of AT&T UNIX) the difference is akin to the differences between PC-DOS, MS-DOS, and DR-DOS. If you can deal with one, you can deal with the rest. Linux (and X86 Free/Net-BSD) is nothing more than an X86 version of UNIX, which pre-dates DOS and Windows by years. They all work the same way, and differ very slightly.
Bob
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BosstonesOwn
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But technically since the Linux authors claim it was a whole new rewrite of what THEY thought the environment should be it is a new technology same as windows was.
Different peoples looks on an OS. Very slight differences indeed but They are not the same technology since Linux was recoded. Again a difference of opinion by the authors of the software themselves. Same as the dos example.
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