It's great for novice users

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joebear29 join:2003-07-20 Alabaster, AL	It's great for novice users Bah, I'd especially recommend Firefox to novice users. It is much safer than IE, and tabbed browsing is great. Besides, I'd think novice users not having Active X controls is a good thing.
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loserhead 3 Billion Chinese People Can Be Wrong join:2004-01-01 Ellijay, GA	said by joebear29 : Bah, I'd especially recommend Firefox to novice users. It is much safer than IE, and tabbed browsing is great. Besides, I'd think novice users not having Active X controls is a good thing. HIFIVE -- read my blog here
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elias Premium,VIP join:2000-07-24 Miami, FL clubs:	reply to joebear29 said by joebear29 : Bah, I'd especially recommend Firefox to novice users. It is much safer than IE, and tabbed browsing is great. Besides, I'd think novice users not having Active X controls is a good thing. Yeah, but Novice users want things to work. When they go to a web page that has an ActiveX control they want to use, and it doesn't work, they'll get pissed, upset, frustrated, etc. -- Elias -- Crunching the Midnight Oil
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Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA	reply to joebear29 said by joebear29 : Besides, I'd think novice users not having Active X controls is a good thing. Yah, but when they can't play games online, or do stuff at disney.com, or any of the other things that require ActiveX, they have no appreciation for the security issues and will simply consider Firefox an inferior browser. And you, the meddlesome geek who recommended it, won't be taken so seriously next time. Been there, done that. -- Stephen J. Friedl * Security Consultant * Tustin, California USA * my web site
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Mike Premium,Mod join:2000-09-17 Pittsburgh, PA clubs:	There's game software in AOL IM in the mean time!
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Count Hogula3 John Forged Kerry Premium join:2004-07-10 Corona, CA	reply to Steve Then that's their loss, not yours. If someone isn't willing to listen to your or anyone else's OBVIOUS reason, then they deserve whatever they get. In the meantime, I'm sure there are plenty of novices out there who hear about security problems, especially with IE but don't have a clue as to where to start and would appreciate your advice. Personally I think Firefox is good enough now that novice users can use it without issue and the most popular addins are easily installed should someone want to install them. -- »www.scaryjohnkerry.com \| »media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/080304v1.wmv \| Don't have it, demand it!»www.theanimenetwork.com
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Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA	said by Count Hogula3 : then they deserve whatever they get. It's nice that you only get to hang around with smart, savvy users. But they're a vast minority on the interent. Steve -- Stephen J. Friedl * Security Consultant * Tustin, California USA * my web site
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orion940 Paralyzed By Confusion Premium join:2001-12-23 Windsor, CT ·AT&T Yahoo	reply to joebear29 I've used it for a while now, I forget when I started. I like it and I'm willing to work with handling the extensions, looking for all that stuff, etc. However, it's not an out of the box product yet. I'd be hard presssed to recommend it for general use. There are sites that, because of M$ standards and the rest of the world's standards, only work with IE. But that's not a Firefox issue, that's a site issue. Folks have to break away from the IE mind set. The extensions make Firefox nice, the idea is great, only load the code that you will use. But even being a user for a while, I have trouble with some of the extensions. Part of it is the API changes and thus the interface changes, part of it is the nature of the extensions. I think the extension authors need to focus on consistancy in user interface from release to release of the extension and focus on keeping it simple. The one extension I like a lot but have the biggest problem with is TBE, interface constantly changes and there's just too much in it. Otherwise, I support the product and have switched over to Firefox, Thunderbird and Filezilla. O.
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Count Hogula3 John Forged Kerry Premium join:2004-07-10 Corona, CA	reply to Steve said by Steve : said by Count Hogula3 : then they deserve whatever they get. It's nice that you only get to hang around with smart, savvy users. But they're a vast minority on the interent. Steve I know plenty of net'tards and I can only give them my advice. If they don't and something happens...then they deserve the consequences. -- »www.scaryjohnkerry.com \| »media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/080304v1.wmv \| Don't have it, demand it!»www.theanimenetwork.com
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lunarPlexus Nothin' Up Muh Sleeve Premium join:2003-02-08 Chicago, IL clubs: ·EarthLink	reply to orion940 said by orion940 : ... There are sites that, because of M$ standards and the rest of the world's standards, only work with IE. There's an oxymoron. And which "world standards" would only work in IE?
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garagerock Premium join:2002-06-14 Louisville, KY	reply to Count Hogula3 said by Count Hogula3 : said by Steve : said by Count Hogula3 : then they deserve whatever they get. It's nice that you only get to hang around with smart, savvy users. But they're a vast minority on the interent. Steve I know plenty of net'tards and I can only give them my advice. If they don't and something happens...then they deserve the consequences. Wow, great logic. I guess the next time you decide to dissect your garage door opener (for example) and you don't adhere to your neighbor's advice that you shouldn't do that, we should all drive over and laugh at you? I'm amazed endlessly at the amount of snobbery that STILL exists about internet usage. Whooo boy, YOU know what you're doing, so you deserve to be a snob about it to the point of chiding others and calling them "net'tards"? This is the internet, right-not 14th Century French Classical Literature written by only women? Great way to encourage usage. Hope you're not in education at all, that's not good logic. Positive reinforcement is far more effective. I can snicker to myself all day long about how User A installed Trojan B, but the SOLUTION to the problem isn't snickering in front of User A. One simple conversation without being an ass about it does the trick. It's worked for me for 15 years now.
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Count Hogula3 John Forged Kerry Premium join:2004-07-10 Corona, CA 4 edits	Snob about it? So now giving advice is being a snob? So THINKING they deserve what they get if they ignore the advice is being a snob. :sigh: Whatever. You believe whatever you want and do whatever you want to do. In the meantime...READ the posts before replying to them. Nowhere do I mention that novices should be lashed upon, only that they reep what they sow. -- »www.scaryjohnkerry.com \| »media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/080304v1.wmv \| Don't have it, demand it! »www.theanimenetwork.com
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Mike Premium,Mod join:2000-09-17 Pittsburgh, PA clubs:	Giving advice is a not a problem. The holier than thou attitude doesn't help your cause.
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orion940 Paralyzed By Confusion Premium join:2001-12-23 Windsor, CT ·AT&T Yahoo	reply to lunarPlexus said by lunarPlexus : said by orion940 : ... There are sites that, because of M$ standards and the rest of the world's standards, only work with IE. There's an oxymoron. And which "world standards" would only work in IE? Let me rephrase....Due to the differences in M$ standards and what the rest of the world think, some sites only work in IE. regards, Oxy
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garagerock Premium join:2002-06-14 Louisville, KY	reply to Count Hogula3 said by Count Hogula3 : Snob about it? So now giving advice is being a snob? So THINKING they deserve what they get if they ignore the advice is being a snob. :sigh: Whatever. You believe whatever you want and do whatever you want to do. In the meantime...READ the posts before replying to them. Nowhere do I mention that novices should be lashed upon, only that they reep what they sow. I did read your post, and read "net'tards" as a term you used, and you also said if they don't follow your advice, that they get what they deserve. Sorry, but if "net'tards" isn't derogatory and snobby, then I'm not sure what is. Not to mention that your "advice" isn't the be-all end-all on this topic, so again, having that position is snobbery, IMHO.
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feek join:2002-01-23 Philadelphia, PA	reply to Count Hogula3 you are a huge nerd
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Count Hogula3 John Forged Kerry Premium join:2004-07-10 Corona, CA 4 edits	reply to garagerock That's fine. Still doesn't change the fact they users reap what they sow. And being so offended about "net'tards"...get over it. I'm sure your post history includes evidence of you being a big meany too guy. Like you calling clrankin's opinion asinine isn't being holier than thou? He's being asinine when he doesn't buy your political rhetoric and you're cooler for it but I'm a big meany for classifying those who ignore advice given to them by someone who knows (no matter who the "expert" happens to be) a net'tard. I can certainly value Mike's opinion about my comment, but you are a hypocrite.
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Count Hogula3 John Forged Kerry Premium join:2004-07-10 Corona, CA 1 edit	reply to Mike said by Mike : Giving advice is a not a problem. The holier than thou attitude doesn't help your cause. I have no cause...but point taken. -- »www.scaryjohnkerry.com \| »media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/080304v1.wmv \| Don't have it, demand it! »www.theanimenetwork.com
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garagerock Premium join:2002-06-14 Louisville, KY	reply to Count Hogula3 Let me break it down for you: You called people "net'tards" because they don't have your "skill level" or whatever it is you believe you have that you can hold over those not as educated as you, because they won't take your "advice". I called an individual "asinine" about that persons views. Judging from your avatar, you seem to be nakedly defending those on your side of the political fence and generalizing about users in general, not one individual. That sir is called "stereotyping". If I painted everyone with your viewpoint as asinine, as you did with uneducated users, then I could see the logic. You didn't though; you chose to try and defend stereotyping users as "net'tards" for not adhering to your golden advice. Simple enough, eh?
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disorder Useful Idiot Premium join:2003-04-16 Alexandria, VA clubs:	reply to joebear29 Besides it's alot better than IE with less security holes and alot user-friendly. Also renders websites alot faster.
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