Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
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join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to bs259
Re: My FIOS install
said by bs259  :no cable co that i know is running 2.0, i beleive they are all waiting for 3.0 So what are they running?
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bs259
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join:2000-08-19
Little Neck, NY | docsis 1.1 |
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
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join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by bs259 :docsis 1.1 Ok then so by the chart you linked to DOCSIS 1.1 is capable of 40mbps down and 10 mbps up.
Is that what you are provisioned at?
No because they would never do that. They won't provision DOCSIS 3.0 at 200/100 either so take the story elsewhere.
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bs259
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Little Neck, NY | i dont know why they presently limit the speeds, they just want to be faster than dsl at least thats my guess. |
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reetz250
join:2004-07-16
Round Lake, IL
| reply to bs259
Good for cable (wich I use by the way)!, but FIOS is still unlimited.
Besides that it starts you off at 15/5 like our friends in Texas are experimenting, in the future will offer way more than that and with minimal upgrades on our end. The only problem that I could see with FIOS is as it offers a network IP address (192.xxx.xxx.xxx) as your main address. If instead they offer a regular static IP such as 67.xxx.xxx.xx then it is going to be the only way to go; great speed, chances to run servers and so fort so on |
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bs259
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join:2000-08-19
Little Neck, NY
| yes if they run a dedicated fiber to enery persons houe they should have the capability of almost unlimited up and download speeds/but i cant wait to see that happen, nyc is just too congested and it would cost way too much money to rebuild their system to accomplish this |
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wctom
join:2004-10-20
Wesley Chapel, FL | reply to reetz250
reetz250:
The address to the router is a standard routable IP. Mine is 68.238.xxx.yyy. It is PPPoE and won't change unless you disconnect for some reason, and reconnect. I use zoneedit for a dyndns provider, and it works great. |
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hescominsoon
join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
 ·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to killerx
said by killerx :bring FIOS to long beach california!!!!!!I need the bandwidth for my game server  BTW, does any know of 15 mbps/ 5 mbps would be enough to host a 32 player Counter Strike:Source server? Also does verizon mind, if the user ran a game server off the FIOS internet? congrats on the FIOS install a 10 slot cs server at a rate setting of 8k works fine under a 384 k connection(only uses 270 max) so a 2 meg conneciton could easily support a cs server.
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Glass2u
join:2004-12-24
35364 | reply to JakCrow
Yes they do, and then some. The overhead on FIOS is unreal.
I saw the Kellerpoint Gamelab setup and they had 14 countem...I said 14, 30 meg systems all running to one room.
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inquisitor
join:2002-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA
| how long does it take for the whole process take to be done with? Verizon started laying the fiber down on the 23rd of dec and i havent seen them since. For instance once they are down laying the fiber he told me that are going to have splicers splice to the house once that is down how much longer til i can start using their service? |
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reetz250
join:2004-07-16
Round Lake, IL
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said by wctom :reetz250: The address to the router is a standard routable IP. Mine is 68.238.xxx.yyy. It is PPPoE and won't change unless you disconnect for some reason, and reconnect. I use zoneedit for a dyndns provider, and it works great. So you are telling me that you have FIOS with a regular IP? If so, you have just given me the best news on the planet, cause the only peoples that I met with fiber optic were in Italy and with their system they get network IPs as their main IP instead (192.xxx.yyy.zzz and of course then they can network from there in their homes). Their system is called FastWeb, and from my understanding it is set up like a huge network and they can get external IP (68.xxx.yyy.zzz) only with an additional charge and for a limited time (20 hours a month), all things that are very inconvenient if you are running servers. That is way I was asking what kind of IP is given with FIOS here in the States, but have not gotten a solid answer yet. By the way if for some unknown reason you disconnect from the internet you get a new IP, that means that you have a dynamic IP address, any chance you can get with FIOS a static IP and maybe more then one? |
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Glass2u
join:2004-12-24
35364
| reply to inquisitor
Overlay can be unpredictable timewise due to permits, access to easements, obstructions, engineering problems, etc.
Once the distribution network is fully installed, spliced and tested, they seem to get right about the business of selling FIOS.
Keller started selling to the public at about 85% to 95% completion of infrastructure, but it was a special case I think because that's where it all started for them.
Verizon is putting forth a monster effort to get it rolled out as fast as possible, far as I can tell. They are swarming around like flies laying fiber, splicing fiber, installing FIOS in homes.
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bs259
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join:2000-08-19
Little Neck, NY
| For anybody who is interested I have started a new topic thread cable (docsis 3.0) vs FIOS at the following link please feel free to visit and post your thoughts.
»[TWC] cable (DOCSIS 3.0) vs verizon (DSL,, FIOS) |
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wctom
join:2004-10-20
Wesley Chapel, FL
| reply to reetz250
Regular IP address is what I have! I'm not sure about a static IP. Maybe with some kind of business package, but I have not seen one advertisement for FIOS yet. I think they're putting this whole thing together 'on-the-fly'. Put in the infrastructure, figure out the pricing, and sell it. They'll figure out special pricing and other options later.
You are right about the dynamic address part. If I disconnect, I usually will get a new address. I've only gone through about 4 addresses when I've changed settings in my router, and it reboots. Otherwise, the address has stayed the same for the last month. |
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irev210
join:2002-04-14
Mission Viejo, CA
| just browsing around and I had to post...
all this talk about cable modem speeds... they are capable of running 30+mbit now, they are just held back by the cable co's
I personally hit 29mbit/sec on my cable modem. I actually hit 24mbit on a single transfer, and this was back in like 2001.
Back in 1996 when cable first came out, I was able to hit 10mbit all day, I was limited by the older cable modem which only had a 10mbit lan.
I live in an area that has fiber up to my door to the cable box outside the house, but it was old fiber, installed in 1995/96... tons of potential even in that old fiber. |
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Woof Woof
I Miss Brother Iz
join:2004-09-01
Keller, TX
| Cable may be capable of 30Mbit, but understand that 30Mbit is shared among many subscribers and can be vastly oversold. On fiber, the 30Mbit comes from a pool of 622Mbit shared among up to 32 subscribers. So, even if every one of the 32 subscribers on that one fiber from the CO had 30Mbit (total of 960Mbit), they would only be slightly overselling the capacity of that one fiber.
It is going to be interesting to see how cable companies spin that in their ads. They will offer 30Mbit, but not bother to tell you your entire neighborhood is sharing it with you. |
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johnsp
join:2001-02-07
Syosset, NY
| Realistically, you'll never see symmetrical speeds and static IP's. If this were provided, the entire revenue from commercial T1, T3 lines would collapse. Why would any company continue to pay thousands a month when the same capacity was available with residential Fios? Fios will suffer the same issues seen in cable systems, and DSL: over subscription. Hopefully the fiber transport will allow for quick upgrades as technology progresses and the price drops. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| reply to Woof Woof
said by Woof Woof :Cable may be capable of 30Mbit, but understand that 30Mbit is shared among many subscribers and can be vastly oversold. On fiber, the 30Mbit comes from a pool of 622Mbit shared among up to 32 subscribers. So, even if every one of the 32 subscribers on that one fiber from the CO had 30Mbit (total of 960Mbit), they would only be slightly overselling the capacity of that one fiber. It is going to be interesting to see how cable companies spin that in their ads. They will offer 30Mbit, but not bother to tell you your entire neighborhood is sharing it with you. True to a point. Yes, the "local" node overload is eliminated (gets rid of a lot of problems). The thing is that ALL residential services are oversold. It just happens that this occurs in the CO for FIOS. If Verizon buys 45mbps of bandwidth, they are not going to dedicate 15mbps of that to one customer for $49.95/month. So both Cable and FIOS use oversold bandwidth. They would never be able to provide this much bandwidth for such a small amount of money. The cool thing is that FIOS handles bandwidth a lot better then cable. So what you said to a point is true.
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| reply to johnsp
said by johnsp :Realistically, you'll never see symmetrical speeds and static IP's. If this were provided, the entire revenue from commercial T1, T3 lines would collapse. Why would any company continue to pay thousands a month when the same capacity was available with residential Fios? Fios will suffer the same issues seen in cable systems, and DSL: over subscription. Hopefully the fiber transport will allow for quick upgrades as technology progresses and the price drops. The price of T1's and T3's will drastically drop over the upcoming years as FIOS becomes available to more people. The reason is because people will say "Why am I paying $1,000/month when I can get 20X more bandwidth for $200-300 (business prices not known yet)." People will SERIOUSLY consider dropping T1's if you get that much more bandwidth, is the $1,000/month REALLY worth that added protection of an SLA? For a lot of small business's I bet they will be thinking about this. If they drop the prices of T1's and T3's then the people will say hey an extra $100 or so per month for a T1 with 20X less bandwidth but a SLA might be good for me.
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jwersan
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join:2004-12-20
Port Jefferson Station, NY
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| Another reason may be that Verizon wants to move its business customers over to a FIOS like feed. Getting a T1 to a customer requires several levels of hardware to provision the line down to the T1 pipe. By moving businesses over to a pipe larger than a T3 via fiber may actually be cheaper to implement. |
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