PGHammer
join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
clubs:
 ·Comcast
| reply to reetz250
Re: My FIOS install
The *only* reason you see a lot of 192.168.xxx.xxx IPs is because they are behind *routers*. Every router does this, as this particular Class C block is *reserved* for private LANs (the limit is a possible 64,770 devices behind this particular Class C; this is far more IPs than any home, small business, or even most large businesses, would use at any one site). The preference for this sort of IP is typical with routers and is not unique to FIOS (in fact, my own computer's IP falls in this range, with the router handling NAT (network address translation), as is normal, and I have CHSI + my own router).
So, relax. |
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johnsp
join:2001-02-07
Syosset, NY
| reply to Tzale
said by Tzale  : said by johnsp :Realistically, you'll never see symmetrical speeds and static IP's. If this were provided, the entire revenue from commercial T1, T3 lines would collapse. Why would any company continue to pay thousands a month when the same capacity was available with residential Fios? Fios will suffer the same issues seen in cable systems, and DSL: over subscription. Hopefully the fiber transport will allow for quick upgrades as technology progresses and the price drops. The price of T1's and T3's will drastically drop over the upcoming years as FIOS becomes available to more people. The reason is because people will say "Why am I paying $1,000/month when I can get 20X more bandwidth for $200-300 (business prices not known yet)." People will SERIOUSLY consider dropping T1's if you get that much more bandwidth, is the $1,000/month REALLY worth that added protection of an SLA? For a lot of small business's I bet they will be thinking about this. If they drop the prices of T1's and T3's then the people will say hey an extra $100 or so per month for a T1 with 20X less bandwidth but a SLA might be good for me. -Tzale Residential service will always be asymmetrical, only one dynamic IP with PPPoE, and no SLA and no DNS hosting. It's the only way to keep business class service fees coming in. No provider would survive on a Fios pricing model for business class services. VZ should recoup a big savings in maintenance. One fiber cable into a location would be able to support a huge range of services rather then requiring multiple copper lines. |
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Woof Woof
I Miss Brother Iz
join:2004-09-01
Keller, TX
| reply to Tzale
said by Tzale : The thing is that ALL residential services are oversold. It just happens that this occurs in the CO for FIOS. -Tzale Agreed. It is much better to have the bottleneck at the CO rather than the cable node. If your cable node is congested with traffic, it doesn't matter what bandwidth the CO has out to the cloud. With FIOS, you compete with everyone equally, with cable, you compete with your neighbors. |
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jwersan
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, and Max.
Premium
join:2004-12-20
Port Jefferson Station, NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
| reply to Tzale
Another reason may be that Verizon wants to move its business customers over to a FIOS like feed. Getting a T1 to a customer requires several levels of hardware to provision the line down to the T1 pipe. By moving businesses over to a pipe larger than a T3 via fiber may actually be cheaper to implement. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| reply to johnsp
said by johnsp :Realistically, you'll never see symmetrical speeds and static IP's. If this were provided, the entire revenue from commercial T1, T3 lines would collapse. Why would any company continue to pay thousands a month when the same capacity was available with residential Fios? Fios will suffer the same issues seen in cable systems, and DSL: over subscription. Hopefully the fiber transport will allow for quick upgrades as technology progresses and the price drops. The price of T1's and T3's will drastically drop over the upcoming years as FIOS becomes available to more people. The reason is because people will say "Why am I paying $1,000/month when I can get 20X more bandwidth for $200-300 (business prices not known yet)." People will SERIOUSLY consider dropping T1's if you get that much more bandwidth, is the $1,000/month REALLY worth that added protection of an SLA? For a lot of small business's I bet they will be thinking about this. If they drop the prices of T1's and T3's then the people will say hey an extra $100 or so per month for a T1 with 20X less bandwidth but a SLA might be good for me.
-Tzale
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| reply to Woof Woof
said by Woof Woof :Cable may be capable of 30Mbit, but understand that 30Mbit is shared among many subscribers and can be vastly oversold. On fiber, the 30Mbit comes from a pool of 622Mbit shared among up to 32 subscribers. So, even if every one of the 32 subscribers on that one fiber from the CO had 30Mbit (total of 960Mbit), they would only be slightly overselling the capacity of that one fiber. It is going to be interesting to see how cable companies spin that in their ads. They will offer 30Mbit, but not bother to tell you your entire neighborhood is sharing it with you. True to a point. Yes, the "local" node overload is eliminated (gets rid of a lot of problems). The thing is that ALL residential services are oversold. It just happens that this occurs in the CO for FIOS. If Verizon buys 45mbps of bandwidth, they are not going to dedicate 15mbps of that to one customer for $49.95/month. So both Cable and FIOS use oversold bandwidth. They would never be able to provide this much bandwidth for such a small amount of money. The cool thing is that FIOS handles bandwidth a lot better then cable. So what you said to a point is true.
-Tzale
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johnsp
join:2001-02-07
Syosset, NY
| reply to Woof Woof
Realistically, you'll never see symmetrical speeds and static IP's. If this were provided, the entire revenue from commercial T1, T3 lines would collapse. Why would any company continue to pay thousands a month when the same capacity was available with residential Fios? Fios will suffer the same issues seen in cable systems, and DSL: over subscription. Hopefully the fiber transport will allow for quick upgrades as technology progresses and the price drops. |
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Woof Woof
I Miss Brother Iz
join:2004-09-01
Keller, TX
| reply to irev210
Cable may be capable of 30Mbit, but understand that 30Mbit is shared among many subscribers and can be vastly oversold. On fiber, the 30Mbit comes from a pool of 622Mbit shared among up to 32 subscribers. So, even if every one of the 32 subscribers on that one fiber from the CO had 30Mbit (total of 960Mbit), they would only be slightly overselling the capacity of that one fiber.
It is going to be interesting to see how cable companies spin that in their ads. They will offer 30Mbit, but not bother to tell you your entire neighborhood is sharing it with you. |
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irev210
join:2002-04-14
Mission Viejo, CA
| reply to wctom
just browsing around and I had to post...
all this talk about cable modem speeds... they are capable of running 30+mbit now, they are just held back by the cable co's
I personally hit 29mbit/sec on my cable modem. I actually hit 24mbit on a single transfer, and this was back in like 2001.
Back in 1996 when cable first came out, I was able to hit 10mbit all day, I was limited by the older cable modem which only had a 10mbit lan.
I live in an area that has fiber up to my door to the cable box outside the house, but it was old fiber, installed in 1995/96... tons of potential even in that old fiber. |
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wctom
join:2004-10-20
Wesley Chapel, FL
| reply to reetz250
Regular IP address is what I have! I'm not sure about a static IP. Maybe with some kind of business package, but I have not seen one advertisement for FIOS yet. I think they're putting this whole thing together 'on-the-fly'. Put in the infrastructure, figure out the pricing, and sell it. They'll figure out special pricing and other options later.
You are right about the dynamic address part. If I disconnect, I usually will get a new address. I've only gone through about 4 addresses when I've changed settings in my router, and it reboots. Otherwise, the address has stayed the same for the last month. |
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bs259
Premium
join:2000-08-19
Little Neck, NY
| reply to Glass2u
For anybody who is interested I have started a new topic thread cable (docsis 3.0) vs FIOS at the following link please feel free to visit and post your thoughts.
»[TWC] cable (DOCSIS 3.0) vs verizon (DSL,, FIOS) |
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Glass2u
join:2004-12-24
35364
| reply to inquisitor
Overlay can be unpredictable timewise due to permits, access to easements, obstructions, engineering problems, etc.
Once the distribution network is fully installed, spliced and tested, they seem to get right about the business of selling FIOS.
Keller started selling to the public at about 85% to 95% completion of infrastructure, but it was a special case I think because that's where it all started for them.
Verizon is putting forth a monster effort to get it rolled out as fast as possible, far as I can tell. They are swarming around like flies laying fiber, splicing fiber, installing FIOS in homes.
Hang in there. |
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reetz250
join:2004-07-16
Round Lake, IL
| reply to wctom
said by wctom :reetz250: The address to the router is a standard routable IP. Mine is 68.238.xxx.yyy. It is PPPoE and won't change unless you disconnect for some reason, and reconnect. I use zoneedit for a dyndns provider, and it works great. So you are telling me that you have FIOS with a regular IP? If so, you have just given me the best news on the planet, cause the only peoples that I met with fiber optic were in Italy and with their system they get network IPs as their main IP instead (192.xxx.yyy.zzz and of course then they can network from there in their homes). Their system is called FastWeb, and from my understanding it is set up like a huge network and they can get external IP (68.xxx.yyy.zzz) only with an additional charge and for a limited time (20 hours a month), all things that are very inconvenient if you are running servers. That is way I was asking what kind of IP is given with FIOS here in the States, but have not gotten a solid answer yet. By the way if for some unknown reason you disconnect from the internet you get a new IP, that means that you have a dynamic IP address, any chance you can get with FIOS a static IP and maybe more then one? |
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inquisitor
join:2002-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA
| reply to Glass2u
how long does it take for the whole process take to be done with? Verizon started laying the fiber down on the 23rd of dec and i havent seen them since. For instance once they are down laying the fiber he told me that are going to have splicers splice to the house once that is down how much longer til i can start using their service? |
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Glass2u
join:2004-12-24
35364 | reply to JakCrow
Yes they do, and then some. The overhead on FIOS is unreal.
I saw the Kellerpoint Gamelab setup and they had 14 countem...I said 14, 30 meg systems all running to one room.
No problem. |
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hescominsoon
join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
·Comcast
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to killerx
said by killerx :bring FIOS to long beach california!!!!!!I need the bandwidth for my game server  BTW, does any know of 15 mbps/ 5 mbps would be enough to host a 32 player Counter Strike:Source server? Also does verizon mind, if the user ran a game server off the FIOS internet? congrats on the FIOS install a 10 slot cs server at a rate setting of 8k works fine under a 384 k connection(only uses 270 max) so a 2 meg conneciton could easily support a cs server.
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wctom
join:2004-10-20
Wesley Chapel, FL | reply to reetz250
reetz250:
The address to the router is a standard routable IP. Mine is 68.238.xxx.yyy. It is PPPoE and won't change unless you disconnect for some reason, and reconnect. I use zoneedit for a dyndns provider, and it works great. |
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bs259
Premium
join:2000-08-19
Little Neck, NY
| reply to reetz250
yes if they run a dedicated fiber to enery persons houe they should have the capability of almost unlimited up and download speeds/but i cant wait to see that happen, nyc is just too congested and it would cost way too much money to rebuild their system to accomplish this |
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reetz250
join:2004-07-16
Round Lake, IL
| reply to bs259
Good for cable (wich I use by the way)!, but FIOS is still unlimited.
Besides that it starts you off at 15/5 like our friends in Texas are experimenting, in the future will offer way more than that and with minimal upgrades on our end. The only problem that I could see with FIOS is as it offers a network IP address (192.xxx.xxx.xxx) as your main address. If instead they offer a regular static IP such as 67.xxx.xxx.xx then it is going to be the only way to go; great speed, chances to run servers and so fort so on |
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bs259
Premium
join:2000-08-19
Little Neck, NY | reply to Pathfinder
i dont know why they presently limit the speeds, they just want to be faster than dsl at least thats my guess. |
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