PhoenixDown
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Re: Poor Babies
I am not knocking the study since I dont know anything about it, or Maine for that matter, but if Cable is 3 meg down and dsl is barely 1 meg down - how is it faster?!?
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k_mumm
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Laramie, WY | Try 8 meg down. |
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wentlanc
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join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
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Bacause with cable you have to share the bandwidth with your neighbors. With DSL, you have dedicated bandwidth to you. You could find that 2 of your 3 megs on your cable provider is unusable becaus of all of the broadcast, multicast, and normal unicast traffic. When you get a web page, everyone on the network has to get it and then subsequently drop it. That chews up bandwidth. The old rule of traditional unswitched ethernet was that 40% utilization is almost too much. Cable operates in exactly the same fashion.
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Count Hogula3
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Corona, CA
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said by PhoenixDown  :
I am not knocking the study since I dont know anything about it, or Maine for that matter, but if Cable is 3 meg down and dsl is barely 1 meg down - how is it faster?!?
That's like saying if cable is 1 meg down and DSL 3 meg down, how is cable faster. The point is that they're offering DSL that is faster than cable.
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ruscorp
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Earth
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It's all shared at some point. |
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tiger72
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Saint Louis, MO
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...if you live next door. 2.5 miles my ass. |
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BonezX
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Canada | reply to ruscorp
well what's 4500 of 5000, that's over 40% |
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gondola_fry
join:2004-06-29
Portland, ME
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Yes, 2.5 miles you can still get 3/768. Have you ever used this kind of service (Lucent Stinger DSLAMs)? Do you know anything about it? Again, I reiterate that cable has had too big of an influence on the perception of DSL. Yes, cable (depending on the provider) is really good, but so is this, and it costs less. May want to do a little research before you just dismiss the possibility based on your media-influenced opinions. |
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koveman
join:2002-01-23
Phoenix, AZ
| I've used dsl. I've been a subscriber and I've done tech support for other subscribers.
dsl SUCKS!
Could be bad service by the bells, but I've witnessed poor performance in at least three markets. My opinion is definitely "media-influenced" as in if your transmission media is a copper phone line and it's not a T1, then it sucks.
dsl makes me want to puke. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| 100's of thousands of people can come here and make a stupid broad statement as you have for either service.
I have had DSL for a few years now and love it. I support people using both cable and DSL neither having any more or less issues then the other. When asked about broadband options I simply state you probably wont go wrong with either one so get the one that is cheaper and provides what you need. HOWEVER, DSL is generally cheaper for comparible speed.
Basically this will come down to the market and the company. Some markets will have great DSL and crap cable, where as others it may be the opposite way, and the remaining will have equal services where it won't matter which one you get. |
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Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| I have both dsl and cable and I can honestly say"THEY BOTH SUCK" There 
Oh and my dsl (I have 2) are 6.0 down and my cable is 3.3 down (On a good day).
But then if it rains too hard my dsl like to go down. So I chose to keep 3 providers and two technologies. This way I do not lose money when one hits the crapper. And even a T1 can not provide this type of internet uptime, becuase you only get 1 back bone where I have access to 3. |
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Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI | reply to ruscorp
Yes, but I am annoyed by all the traffic on my cable con when my dsl is silent. When the lights flash on my dsl modem chances are i know what is going on. My cable modem is constantly going. |
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ruscorp
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| said by Freezone :
Yes, but I am annoyed by all the traffic on my cable con when my dsl is silent. When the lights flash on my dsl modem chances are i know what is going on. My cable modem is constantly going.
I've had both cable and dsl as well. I've always wondered why that was. |
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3SGTE
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clubs: | Those are ARP requests.
Perfectly normal, and harmless.
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rolande
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said by ruscorp :
It's all shared at some point.
That IS the general idea of how networks operate. But, for those of you who are protocol challenged, a protocol like CMTS that is shared at layer 2 without any deterministic qualities like a TDM network makes a whole connection act like garbage when enough other stations on the segment are busy. Most DSL providers on the other hand are typically using ATM at layer 2 with either PPPoA or PPPoE for the client connectivity. This provides a whole different class of connection quality that is scalable and fully manageable by the providers. Cable providers don't have that flexibility on their networks and have little ability to control the congestion in their networks at the edge except to enforce harsh ToS agreements to limit upstream traffic. DSL's downfall is usually the physical limitations of the wire to the customer's premises. Luckily for the cable companies this is something they don't have to worry about. Everyone can connect just the same. They just have to try and control upstream bandwidth usage without a technical way to do it with the access protocol to avoid upstream congestion within their nodes.
Shared interfaces at aggregation points like 100Meg or Gig or OC-3, OC-12, OC-48 etc. are a complete world apart from the shared technology behind the DOCSIS standard. You are trying to compare shared service within an access technology versus shared service within a core network technology. So you can't even begin to compare these apples and oranges. Obviously speed of those technologies is a factor. But, aside from the speeds, the methods of traffic queueing that can occur on those types of interfaces, depending on the layer 2 protocol, is like comparing a Ferrari to a Pinto. When you aggregate thousands of broadband connections into upstream network connections that are shared in this manner, that is whole different kind of shared connection than cable uses.
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3SGTE
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| Yes, that is the technical way of looking at things.
I look at the speed test archive here at dslr:
»/archive
Judge for yourself.
Theory vs execution!
(As was said earlier, either DSL or Cable can be done well, or done poorly.)
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ruscorp
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said by 3SGTE :
Those are ARP requests.
Perfectly normal, and harmless.
All the time and never happening with DSL? Are you sure? |
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tiger72
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said by gondola_fry :
Yes, 2.5 miles you can still get 3/768. Have you ever used this kind of service (Lucent Stinger DSLAMs)? Do you know anything about it? Again, I reiterate that cable has had too big of an influence on the perception of DSL. Yes, cable (depending on the provider) is really good, but so is this, and it costs less. May want to do a little research before you just dismiss the possibility based on your media-influenced opinions.
Yes i've had DSL. Been rated at 3mbps, but couldn't top 1.2mbps. Good ol DSL. It's good that you can get 3/768 at 2.5 miles. Most cant. Until it's the norm and not the exception, i'll repeat: 2.5 miles my ass. OTOH, i don't think the consumer should have to be concerned if Lucent Stinger DSLAMs are used, or whatever else. It shouldn't be the consomers duty to go find out what DSLAMs are used, what modems are used, what kind of quality telephone wire was used, the wire-distance from the CO, etc... Provide what you advertise, or GTFOtheway. You may want to get your head out of your ass and stop ASSuming you know what i have/haven't done. |
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Hot_Rats
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Indianapolis, IN
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said by wentlanc :
You could find that 2 of your 3 megs on your cable provider is unusable becaus of all of the broadcast, multicast, and normal unicast traffic.
You could, but so far, I'm finding that I can maintain a steady 2.7-2.9 Mb down, at virtually any time of day/night/week, just like two years ago when it was 2 Mb down and I could maintain 1.7-1.9 Mb consistently.
I had DSL; 768/128. It was OK, and I did get the advertised speed (heck, I'm within 2000 feet IIRC) but after dealing with Ameritech through lie after lie after billing f*ckup after billing f*ckup, well, let's just say we parted ways and I'm far happier with my provider these days. The only way I'd go back to DSL is for a business account, because RR's business class stuff is a ripoff.
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3SGTE
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Yes.
I cannot speak to the exact technical reason, but it was explained in detail by a network admin in the Cogeco forum a while back.
(I couldn't find the link)
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