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Count Hogula3
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Re: Inaccuracy at the NYT

said by ElJay See Profile:
It's interesting that you bitch about "hate filled partisanship" yet have the "Scary John Kerry" website and anti-Kerry video links in your signature. The hypocrisy of the right simply doesn't surprise me anymore.

Yeah, Kerry's OWN WORDS are quite offensive to the Democratic Party. How are complete and in context Kerry quotes ANTI-KERRY? How is showing complete and in context Kerry's comments in interviews Anti-Kerry? Of course unless Kerry HIMSELF is anti-Kerry, which it seems you think that is the case. If not, perhaps you should bother going to a site before forming judgement....THAT'S hypocrisy. I know the DNC spent a week on the 4 months that Kerry was in Nam and conveniently SKIPPED his 19 years in the U.S. Senate...but that's a history you'll have to deal with if he's YOUR candidate.
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espressoman

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Hey.. at least he went to Vietnam, and didn't waste his time at Yale blowing coke off of some hooker he found in the streets of New Haven.


Count Hogula3
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Nice troll. At least make a vague attempt at staying on topic, which is the New York Times article and the retard that wrote it.

DoubleT
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I believe the topic was about a NYT writer who thinks she lost her free internet access.

What topic were you trying to stay on?
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lvas

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Whatever – Bush is idiot – that much we all know. What has Bush done over the last 20 years?

1. How many startup companies did he run into the ground five or was that six?
2. drug addict/boozer
3. failed investments into Baseball
4. what else ? oh yea – Governor.

moonpuppy

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said by lvas See Profile:
Whatever – Bush is idiot – that much we all know. What has Bush done over the last 20 years?

1. How many startup companies did he run into the ground five or was that six?
2. drug addict/boozer
3. failed investments into Baseball
4. what else ? oh yea – Governor.

2. Clinton did the same (yeah he inhaled.)
3. Whitewater mean anything?
4. Governor of Arkansas (now there is a rich state.)


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reply to Count Hogula3
said by Count Hogula3 See Profile:
Nice troll. At least make a vague attempt at staying on topic..
On topic was lost with the first post & you've done nothing to help return it to topic.

Now, A word or two to try and regain an at least slightly related eval of the NYTimes' technology reporting in general. I read the NYTimes, not all of it and not daily but regularly. And it must be said, their technology section dubbed 'Cicuits' and their main personality Mr. David Pogue is a fricken embarrassment to reporting. Other departments at the Times do a good job (though the WashPost has more reporting integrity these days) and seeing as ours is a technology website community I think we should be giving Mr. Pogue and the NYTimes hell. They dumb down everything technical with a tongue-in-cheak, gee-wizzy ain't it crazy kinda language aimed at socialites & suburban, home entertainment users ... ACK! They handle the business side of tech with a little more aplomb, but the actual technology research, development and the social impacts of deployed technology is routinely glossed over and poorly presented .... In My Notso Humble Opinion.

Ok, rebuttals or refinements please.


Count Hogula3
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said by lvas See Profile:
Whatever – Bush is idiot – that much we all know. What has Bush done over the last 20 years?

1. How many startup companies did he run into the ground five or was that six?
2. drug addict/boozer
3. failed investments into Baseball
4. what else ? oh yea – Governor.

Oh well, this thread is a lost cause Don't get me wrong, there is plenty I disagree with Bush on.

1. The Constitution of the United States is not a place to insert Family Law. A gay marriage ban at this time would be like inserting a ban on interracial marriage in the 50's.

2. Bush is a hypocrite when it comes to Israel. He calls on them for restraint when they're attacked, yet when we're attacked, we end 2 states and are now looking for more.

3. Bush handed out millions in an ill conceived farm bill that simply lined the pockets of supercorps like ADM, and dopes like Al Gore.

4. Bush's Medicare plan doesn't permit negotiation of drug prices and he won't allow drug imports which would save us potentially billions.

5. Seems every week he's selling us out to Mexico, costing states like California BILLIONS in unfunded mandates with the Federal failure to secure our borders.

...just to name a few.

If you want to disagree with Bush, do it with ISSUES, not mindless hate filled attacks that seem to be the only think coming from the leadership of the Democratic party lately.

If Lieberman was running, I would vote for him over Bush. But Kerry is a man without conviction. There is a long documented history of him changing his position with the wind. Even during this campaign, he goes to Detroit touting how he owns all these SUV's, then 2 weeks later claims oh, his family owns them not him, when challenged by environmentalists. Most recently, he's bragging he's on the list for a Ford Escape hybrid SUV...really? Which of the 5 mansions he has to heat is he going to stay in before he flies is private multimillion dollar fuel gulping jet to pick this thing up? He's flip flopped so many times it's sickening. On the Iraq war alone, he's flip flopped 5 times. For it, against it, for it, against it. Most recently he's for it...just in a different way which he so far has refused to clarify. During the convention he claims that we shouldn't send our troops into combat without the ammunition, body armor etc...even going so far as to bitch that families shouldn't have to pass around a collection plate to buy body armor...yet HE was part of a tiny handful that voted NAY against the $87B supplemental that PAID for body armor, that PAID for ammunition, that PAID for armor for humvees. On July 11th he stated that the war was a mistake. Yesterday he said that knowing then, what he knows now, WMDs and all, he still would have supported the ousting of Saddam. He's quite unbelievable.

Not until the primary system is changed will moderate level headed thinkers like McCain or Lieberman have a chance. Until then wack jobs of both parties rule their respective roosts.

I long for the days when the Democratic Party is again the party of Roosevelt, Truman and JFK rather than hate mongers like Michael Moore. When Democrats stood for working people, not fringe special interests.

I long for the days when the Republican Party is again the party of SMALLER government who respect individual liberty and stands against this neo-Fascism the neocons are ramming down our throats.
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Ardan

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Rosemount, MN

I wouldn't vote for Lieberman, personally.
On the other hand, I also don't consider someone who sticks to ONE thing and doesn't re-think ANYTHING to not be brilliant at all. Sure, he's changed his mind before. Big deal, people change their minds all the time. Yes, I am voting for him and I am aware of his history, and it isn't 'bad' at all. How about the people that point to him opposing Bush's tax cuts? Well, most people should know that the tax 'relief' only relieved the upper class of America. There were constant articles and video clips of interviews with people like Warren Buffet asking why he got a tax break and not the poor or the middle class.

There are plenty of people that are thinking "damnit" when they realized they got lied to by the Bush administration. Its human nature to be wrong, but at least some people are admitting their mistakes. Not only does Bush have more money in his campaign 'war chest' than the Kerry campaign, the Bush family has more money than the Kerry family does. He's not some middle-class American guy either...not by a long shot.

I agree that he has no business what he's doing with the constitution and 90% of everything else that Bush says and does. However, you cannot bash people for alleged "hate mongering" when you are doing it yourself. Just because you're doing it in a nicer way doesn't mean you aren't 'hate mongering'.

Do you know WHY he said nay to the $87 *Billion* extra for that? You need to look that up, because they later admitted that they can't account for nearly a billion dollars spent on Iraq. The bloated and slow deparment of defense has also allowed companies to charge way too much for their services. Some of these services aren't even being done, and they still pay it. Go search for associated press articles, because that is where they are from. If they aren't spending the alloted money properly to begin with, they don't deserve to have more. This is beside the point that we shouldn't be doing this alone. A nation recovering from a brief economical meltdown can't rebuild a nation on its own, no matter how awesome any of you may think it is.

You are right on the medicare comment. However, as a Pharmacy Technician for the last 5 years, I have dealt directly with insurance and the drug companies a lot and I would expand that further. More things than that need to be changed. This summer, in my home state of Minnesota, I got to see Kerry in St. Paul and heard some of his comments. I have never seen him waver in his ideas on that industry (since that seems so important to people), and he has my vote for that as well.


Count Hogula3
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Well I never got a job from a poor person, so I'm not so offended that the people who paid the most taxes got more back. Two facts remain. As a percentage of what was paid, the poor got back more than the high income earners. And the bottom 50% of income earners still pay less than 4% of the total income tax.

As for the so-called lies.

If Bush lied...

said by John F Kerry:

June 2003
Kerry Said “It Would Be Irresponsible … To Draw Conclusions” That Suggest President Misled On WMD. ABC’S GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: “I know you said you’re agnostic about whether or not he misled the public on weapons of mass destruction. But do you have a hunch on whether you think they hyped the intelligence?” KERRY: “George, again, I think it would be irresponsible of me at this point to draw conclusions prior to all the evidence being on the table.” (ABC’s “This Week,” 6/15/03)

March 2003
As War Began, Kerry Said Saddam Chose “To Make Military Force The Ultimate Weapons Inspections Enforcement Mechanism.” “Senator John F. Kerry … had lambasted Bush’s diplomatic efforts, despite voting last fall in support of a congressional resolution authorizing military action to disarm Iraq of any weapons of mass destruction. ‘It appears that with the deadline for exile come and gone, Saddam Hussein has chosen to make military force the ultimate weapons inspections enforcement mechanism,’ Kerry said.” (Glen Johnson, “Critics Of Bush Voice Support For The Troops,” The Boston Globe, 3/20/03)

Kerry Said Saddam Hussein’s WMD “Are A Threat.” “I think Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction are a threat, and that’s why I voted to hold him accountable and to make certain that we disarm him. I think we need to …” (NPR’s “All Things Considered,” 3/19/03)

February 2003
Kerry Said Leaving Saddam Hussein “Unfettered With Nuclear Weapons Or Weapons Of Mass Destruction Is Unacceptable.” (Jill Lawrence, “War Issue Challenges Democratic Candidates,” USA Today, 2/12/03)

Kerry Described Secretary Of State Colin Powell’s Evidence Of WMD In Iraq As “Real And Compelling.” “[Kerry] said the Bush administration has taken too long to make its case for military action, ‘but nonetheless I am glad we’ve reached this moment in our diplomacy.’ Kerry added: ‘Convincing evidence of Saddam Hussein’s possession of weapons of mass destruction should trigger, I believe, a final ultimatum from the United Nations for a full, complete, immediate disarmament of those weapons by Iraq. Over the next hours, I will work with my colleagues in the Senate to fully examine the evidence offered by the secretary for a complete and close reading. But, on its face, the evidence against Saddam Hussein appears real and compelling.’” (Wayne Washington, “Kennedy, Others Question Timing Of Attack But Presidential Hopefuls Back War With Iraq,” The Boston Globe, 2/6/03)

January 2003
Kerry Said, “If You Don’t Believe Saddam Hussein Is A Threat With Nuclear Weapons, Then You Shouldn’t Vote For Me.” (Ronald Brownstein, “On Iraq, Kerry Appears Either Torn Or Shrewd,” Los Angeles Times, 1/31/03)

Kerry Described Threat Of Saddam Hussein With WMD As Real, But Not New. “[W]e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year war with Iran. He miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He miscalculated America’s response to that act of naked aggression. He miscalculated the result of setting oil rigs on fire. He miscalculated the impact of sending scuds into Israel and trying to assassinate an American President. He miscalculated his own military strength. He miscalculated the Arab world’s response to his misconduct. And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Georgetown University, Washington, DC, 1/23/03)

October 2002
“Mr. Kerry … Said Iraq’s Weapons Of Mass Destruction Posed ‘A Real And Grave Threat’ To The United States.” (Dave Boyer, “Key Senators Of Both Parties Back Bush On Iraq War,” The Washington Times, 10/10/02)

Kerry Questioned Saddam’s Actions With Respect To His WMD Capability. “Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to limit or give up? Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire agreement with the international community? Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don’t even try, and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster? Why did Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke? Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits? Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection teams previously? Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all of the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified? Why is he seeking to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents? Does he do all of these things because he wants to live by international standards of behavior? Because he respects international law? Because he is a nice guy underneath it all and the world should trust him?” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)

Kerry Called It “Naive To The Point Of Grave Danger” To Leave Saddam “To His Own Devices.” “It would be naive to the point of grave danger not to believe that, left to his own devices, Saddam Hussein will provoke, misjudge, or stumble into a future, more dangerous confrontation with the civilized world.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)

Kerry Said “Threat Of Saddam Hussein With Weapons Of Mass Destruction Is Real.” “The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)

Kerry: “I Am Prepared To Hold Saddam Hussein Accountable And Destroy His Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” (Ronald Brownstein, “Democratic Presidential Hopefuls Differ On War In Iraq,” Los Angeles Times, 10/6/02)

September 2000
Kerry Said “There Is Nothing More Destabilizing Or Threatening [To The World] Than Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” “I think all of us are deeply concerned about the degree to which certain countries seem to be contributing to the potential of instability in the world. Obviously, there is nothing more destabilizing or threatening than weapons of mass destruction. We have spent an enormous amount of time and energy focused on Iraq, on Iran, on Russia, on loose nukes, on nuclear materials, and of course on China and on the issue of the transfer of technology to Pakistan.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 9/11/00, p. S8321)

December 1998
Kerry Defended Clinton’s 1998 Attacks Because Saddam “Is Pursuing … Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” “Americans need to really understand the gravity and legitimacy of what is happening with Saddam Hussein. He has been given every opportunity in the world to comply. The president does not control the schedule of UNSCOM. The president did not withdraw the UNSCOM inspectors. And the president did not, obviously, cut a deal with Saddam Hussein to do this at this moment. Saddam Hussein has not complied. Saddam Hussein is pursuing a program to build weapons of mass destruction.”(Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 12/16/98)

September 1998
Kerry Said, “‘We’re Going To Have To Make Some Fundamental Decisions About Whether To Follow A Policy Of Containment Or Deprive Iraq Of Its Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” (Eric Schmitt, “U.N. Arms Inspector Who Quit Is Told He Can’t Make Policy,” The New York Times, 9/4/98)

February 1998
Kerry Said Saddam Had Already Used WMD And Had Intent “To Do So” Again. “[T]here are set of principles here that are very large, larger in some measure than I think has been adequately conveyed, both internationally and certainly to the American people. Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East.” (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)

Kerry Said That If Saddam’s Weapon Capability Was Not Eliminated “We Will Be Called On To Send Our Ships And Our Troops At One Point In The Future Back To The Middle East.” “Saddam Hussein has violated … that standard [against using weapons of mass destruction] on several occasions previously and by most people's expectation, no matter what agreement we come up with, may well do so again. The greater likelihood is that we will be called on to send our ships and our troops at one point in the future back to the Middle East to stand up to the next crisis.” (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)

December 1997
Kerry Urged U.N. To Eliminate Iraq’s “Suspected Infrastructure For Developing And Manufacturing Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” “Democratic Senator John Kerry has said: ‘The Security Council should authorize a strong UN military response that will materially damage, if not totally destroy, as much as possible of the suspected infrastructure for developing and manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.’ He added that ‘Saddam Hussein has intentionally or inadvertently set up a test which the entire world will be watching, and if he gets away with this arrogant ploy, he will have terminated the most important multilateral effort to defuse a legitimate threat to global security.’” (“US Lawmakers Threaten Military Action Against Iraq,” Agence France Presse, 12/12/97)

November 1997
Kerry Warned U.S. Senate Of Saddam’s WMD Capabilities. “It is not possible to overstate the ominous implications for the Middle East if Saddam were to develop and successfully militarize and deploy potent biological weapons. We can all imagine the consequences. Extremely small quantities of several known biological weapons have the capability to exterminate the entire population of cities the size of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. These could be delivered by ballistic missile, but they also could be delivered by much more pedestrian means; aerosol applicators on commercial trucks easily could suffice. If Saddam were to develop and then deploy usable atomic weapons, the same holds true.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

January 1991
Kerry Acknowledged Saddam Working Toward Development Of WMD “For Years.” “If we go to war in the next few days, it will not be because our immediate vital interests are so threatened and we have no other choice. It is not because of nuclear, chemical, biological weapons when, after all, Saddam Hussein had all those abilities or was working toward them for years ....” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 1/12/91, p. S369)

October 1990
Kerry Said “Iraq Has Developed A Chemical Weapons Capability.” “Today, we are confronted by a regional power, Iraq, which has attacked a weaker state, Kuwait. ... The crisis is even more threatening by virtue of the fact that Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability, and is pursuing a nuclear weapons development program. And Saddam Hussein has demonstrated a willingness to use such weapons of mass destruction in the past, whether in his war against Iran or against his own Kurdish population.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/2/90, p. S14330)


So did Kerry, for the last 14 years.

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But that's enough of my rant (for the second time). I'm votin' for who I'm votin' for. You're gonna vote for who you want. And I think that's great.
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DoubleT
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And yet again, show me where politics has anything to do with the topic?
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Count Hogula3
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I guess you have difficulty following a thread. I made the argument that this type of ignorance is typical for the New York Times. Others took that as a political statement since it's fairly known that the NYT is a left leaning news source. I clarified my position.

If you have a problem with the direction this thread as you has taken, as you have stated once already today, feel free to refer it to a moderator.
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