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Ark

join:2002-06-08
Hudsonville, MI
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Good luck

Good luck

dervari

join:2000-01-17
Atlanta, GA
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Re: Good luck

For the small percentage of people that use Mozilla, great. But the vast majority of corporate users are standardized on Outlook with an Exchange server.

Also, some of these user iframes, which are harder to defeat than simple images.

Ark

join:2002-06-08
Hudsonville, MI

Re: Good luck

Oh well. I'm protected from email bugs, as I want to be. What do I care if corporate users still want to use outlook and be trackable? Their choice.

LordMalak

join:2003-07-02
Brazil

Re: Good luck

said by Ark See Profile:
Oh well. I'm protected from email bugs, as I want to be. What do I care if corporate users still want to use outlook and be trackable? Their choice.

That was an ignorant thing to say. Most employees have no say so on the software they use at work. Sometimes, not even system admins have that luxury due to the company's contractual obligations with the software provider (MS, in the case).

Depending on employees' access level, they may not even be able to turn off HTML in Outlook.

Joe Schmoew

@208.44.x.x

Re: Good luck

OK well, fine. But SOMEONE chose to use the crappy MS stuff. SO again, their choice - just a different they than you're thinking.

And I agree, screw those people. They have done nothing for the internet or contributed to eliminating the problems with it ever since Microsoft got on board, so screw them. Let them get all the virii, web bugs, spyware, and patches they can stand from Gates & Co.

I don't use Outlook and wouldn't use it if you paid me. Just look at the almost daily reports of new bugs or security holes in it, look how they tried to make it part of the OS (oh, yeah - THAT's a good idea...). And then look how they've forced it down people's throats with forcing it's inclusion in the OS by the OEM's (you could read about it in their anti-trust trial) and as you say, negotiating contracts that FORCE the use of CRAP in corporate networks.

Still, someone in those corporations is making a choice. A bad choice for everyone on the net.

Screw them and whatever happens to them.
LrdVader
Premium
join:2003-12-18
San Diego, CA

said by Ark See Profile:
Oh well. I'm protected from email bugs, as I want to be. What do I care if corporate users still want to use outlook and be trackable? Their choice.

Thunderbird apparently still gets tracked, even with those settings:
»www.candygenius.com/track_the_tracker

nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
·Speakeasy

Re: Good luck

said by LrdVader See Profile:
said by Ark See Profile:
Oh well. I'm protected from email bugs, as I want to be. What do I care if corporate users still want to use outlook and be trackable? Their choice.

Thunderbird apparently still gets tracked, even with those settings:
»www.candygenius.com/track_the_tracker

Only if you go in an enable javascript, but why would you do that??

-tom
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"There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't."
"That's only 2 types of people, moron"

candygenius

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Re: Good luck

Even with JavaScript disabled and loading of remote images disabled, some of the services still sent the receipt back when I tested it in Thunderbird. All I can say is, test them yourself. Horde was the only reader that blocked them all 100% of the time.

nixen
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said by dervari See Profile:
For the small percentage of people that use Mozilla, great. But the vast majority of corporate users are standardized on Outlook with an Exchange server.

Also, some of these user iframes, which are harder to defeat than simple images.

That's why it's good to install an HTML sanitizer module on your SMTP gateways. Strips out or neuters such tags without the end user having to change anything in their client.

-tom
--
"There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't."
"That's only 2 types of people, moron"

GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL

Well, "vast majority" may be a bit too generous. The numbers of Exchange users vs Lotus Notes/Domino users is roughly equal with one or the other stepping ahead depending on the day/hour. I think recently MS's claimed number was finally higher...but not so much that they completely blow away the rest of the market.

And before Exchange 5.5 or 2k users try to go through the pain of a 2003 upgrade...they should seriously look at ND 6.5.

K.
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DrTCP
Yours truly
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said by dervari See Profile:
For the small percentage of people that use Mozilla, great. But the vast majority of corporate users are standardized on Outlook with an Exchange server.

Also, some of these user iframes, which are harder to defeat than simple images.

Pegasus Mail also makes no internet connections to fetch online linked images unless the user instructs so. It is free as well.

http://www.pmail.com
RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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Re: Good luck

said by DrTCP See Profile:

Pegasus Mail also makes no internet connections to fetch online linked images unless the user instructs so. It is free as well.

»www.pmail.com

Amen! Good product, but needs more smarts to use correctly.
--
I am not lost, I find myself every time.
wbhigdon

join:2003-10-29
Bessemer, AL

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said by dervari See Profile:
For the small percentage of people that use Mozilla, great. But the vast majority of corporate users are standardized on Outlook with an Exchange server.

Also, some of these user iframes, which are harder to defeat than simple images.

Outlook 2003 has this behaivor by default....

FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
Premium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL
my outlook is set to not display images or any advanced html...

no problems

if i wanted to be uber paranoid you can just set it to text only or whatnot

TheGiant
Next Year Is Here.

join:2001-03-28
Augusta, GA

Upgrade time

This alone is good enough reason to upgrade. Exchange 2003 here I come. Besides this NT domain is a nightmare..
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DSLrgm
Premium,MVM
join:2002-08-22
Oak Park, MI

Re: Upgrade time

said by TheGiant See Profile:
This alone is good enough reason to upgrade. Exchange 2003 here I come. Besides this NT domain is a nightmare..
Go to Samba 3.0 instead!

Nerdtalker
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join:2003-02-18
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Re: Good luck

Outlook has the same thing, which I have enabled:

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