Ian
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1 edit | When missiles wreck your tee-time
Whups..... 
»www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/18/ca···e_040618
" Missile falls off CF-18 onto Yellowknife golf course "
"Yellowknife's golf course was shut down on Friday after an unarmed missile fell off a Canadian Forces CF-18 jet and landed on the driving range."
""[The Mountie] was speaking on the radio to someone and said…that he had a visual on the missile," Kennedy said. "And I kind of looked where he was looking out on our driving range and there was a missile out on our driving range. At that point I realized what everybody was talking about."
Kennedy said he was forced to cancel a major golf tournament and there's no word when golfers can return to the course. "
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BigSensFan
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Whitby, ON | Well, if it was armed, it could have mad a Hole In One much easier on that course.
Big OOOPS by the Military.
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dirtyjeffer
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| said by BigSensFan  :
Big OOOPS by the Military.
Dale
shit happens...and it probably doesn't help that our military has been so underfunded for the last decade.
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BigSensFan
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| said by dirtyjeffer :
said by BigSensFan :
Big OOOPS by the Military.
Dale
shit happens...and it probably doesn't help that our military has been so underfunded for the last decade.
I agree 100% but I wasn't going to be the one to bring anything pseudo political into this thread . :-D
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HiVolt
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There's a golf course in Yellowknife?  |
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Ian
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| said by HiVolt :
There's a golf course in Yellowknife?
Apparently. Although you'll note the article stated "Yellowknife's golf course"....meaning there's probably just the one....
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Feets
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| said by Ian :
said by HiVolt :
There's a golf course in Yellowknife?
Apparently. Although you'll note the article stated "Yellowknife's golf course"....meaning there's probably just the one....
I'll bet you can get a tee time just about around the clock this time of year! |
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DKS
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said by BigSensFan :
Well, if it was armed, it could have mad a Hole In One much easier on that course.
Big OOOPS by the Military.
Dale
It WAS armed. It was a very live missile. But when a live missile falls off, the safeties initiate and it inerts. |
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BigSensFan
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1 edit | said by DKS :
said by BigSensFan :
Well, if it was armed, it could have mad a Hole In One much easier on that course.
Big OOOPS by the Military.
Dale
It WAS armed. It was a very live missile. But when a live missile falls off, the safeties initiate and it inerts.
The article says it was not armed, meaning that the missle was not ready for firing (it could have been made ready for firing by the flip of a switch inside the cockpit). Missles remained unarmed until ready to fire (you need to arm it to fire it, otherwise it is kust a jettison)
Dale
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Steve
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| reply to HiVolt
said by HiVolt :
There's a golf course in Yellowknife?
There are golf courses in Canada? |
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DKS
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said by BigSensFan :
The article says it was not armed, meaning that the missle was not ready for firing (it could have been made ready for firing by the flip of a switch inside the cockpit). Missles remained unarmed until ready to fire (you need to arm it to fire it, otherwise it is kust a jettison)
Dale
Um... the article was not correct. It was a live round. It had an explosive warhead and a live rocket motor. It was safetied by the detachment, but it was certainly not an inert round. |
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Kalford
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said by Steve :
said by HiVolt :
There's a golf course in Yellowknife?
There are golf courses in Canada?
Of course there are. . . (sheesh. . .dumb Americans) 
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Kalford
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said by DKS :
said by BigSensFan :
The article says it was not armed, meaning that the missle was not ready for firing (it could have been made ready for firing by the flip of a switch inside the cockpit). Missles remained unarmed until ready to fire (you need to arm it to fire it, otherwise it is kust a jettison)
Dale
Um... the article was not correct. It was a live round. It had an explosive warhead and a live rocket motor. It was safetied by the detachment, but it was certainly not an inert round.
and the source for your "opinion" ?
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Feets
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| said by Kalford :
Um... the article was not correct. It was a live round. It had an explosive warhead and a live rocket motor. It was safetied by the detachment, but it was certainly not an inert round.
and the source for your "opinion" ?
I guess it depends on your definition of "armed." If by armed you mean that it did have an explosive warhead and was not simply a missile shaped tube of metal, then I'd say it qualifies as armed.
If by armed you mean it was in "ready to fire" mode and the safeties had been disengaged then I'd say it was not armed.
said by The article:
Maj. Rob Carter said it was a real missile, not a practice or training device. Carter said the safety systems were on and there was no danger of the missile exploding.
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Kalford
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| said by Globe and Mail Article:
"It's a live missile, so it has a warhead and it has its rocket motor," said Captain Dave Muralt of Canadian Forces NORAD command in Winnipeg. "But it was not armed. . . . Everything has to be set for this thing to fire and for the warhead to explode. So it has a whole bunch of different safeties built into it."
Call me wacky . . but I will just have to go with what Captain Muralt had to say. . .it was not armed.
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said by DKS :
said by BigSensFan :
The article says it was not armed, meaning that the missle was not ready for firing (it could have been made ready for firing by the flip of a switch inside the cockpit). Missles remained unarmed until ready to fire (you need to arm it to fire it, otherwise it is kust a jettison)
Dale
Um... the article was not correct. It was a live round. It had an explosive warhead and a live rocket motor. It was safetied by the detachment, but it was certainly not an inert round.
DKS, learn what the terms are...
Live Round is a round that has an explosive warhead TRUE
Live Round (UNARMED) means that the detonator is not activated and therefore poses no threat to anyone (basically a hunk of metal)
Live Round (ARMED) means that the detonator is activated and this missle can explode upon impact (or upon timer, remote detonation, etc)
Training Round is a round with no Explosive warhead..
EDIT: This round was a Live Round (Unarmed)
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Ian
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There's even a Public Golf Course in Inuvik, NWT. Just off the coast of the arctic sea.
Don't know how good it is. It only ventures into positive temperatures May-Sept.
"Inuvik is located in the Northwest Territories, near the coast of the Beaufort Sea, west of 1100km northwest of Yellowknife and north of Tuktoyaktuk. Inuvik is situated on the East Channel of the Mackenzie River Delta. The absolute location is latitude 68°, and longitude 133E, the elevation of Inuvik is 168 meters. "
"Located in the Arctic tundra region most of the land remains frozen year round. Only the top layer thaws during the short summer, therefore vegetation is very limited, with only short-rooted plants, lichens and shrubs able to grow there. The landscape is desolate and barren, with mountains, plains, rivers and rugged coastline creating some fascinating scenery. "
Don't expect pristine greens and fairways, would be my bet
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Dark Shoes
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I've armed those missiles before and there's an actual physical handle on the body of the missile. In order to arm it you have to lift the handle, rotate it into position and press it back down. Usually when going from point A to point B the missiles are not armed so that's probably what they're talking about.
Too busy right now to do a search but maybe someone can find a pic or diagram showing the handle.
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DKS
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said by Feets :
I guess it depends on your definition of "armed." If by armed you mean that it did have an explosive warhead and was not simply a missile shaped tube of metal, then I'd say it qualifies as armed.
If by armed you mean it was in "ready to fire" mode and the safeties had been disengaged then I'd say it was not armed.
said by The article:
Maj. Rob Carter said it was a real missile, not a practice or training device. Carter said the safety systems were on and there was no danger of the missile exploding.
Thank you. Exactly my point. Military jargon has no relevance here. The missile could have gone "boom". But it did not. The safety systems worked. |
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DKS
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said by BigSensFan :
DKS, learn what the terms are...
Military terminology and fine distinction has no relevance here and confuses the issue tremendously. The fact it that it was a real, live missile with an explosive warhead and a rocket motor. It could have gone "boom" but it did not, as the safety systems acted properly. |
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