Fountainhead
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Re: Dag
Here's an idea...
Dont illegally download music and film...
Suddenly.. no problem...
It's magic!
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technick
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Cozworth
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Trouble for them is, unlike music is that I can go rent a DVD for a couple of days, rip it and then pass it on that way.
No download, no IP indicator, no problem, it makes pirated movies potentially a bigger loser for the industry, if you know where to go.
Whereas music is portable as an MP3, it will be a long time before a movie is so easily obtained.
I wanna see the development of downloadable movies and music that cuts the costs out for distribution, staff, premises etc. and so is passed on for a reasonable fee.
However the effect of the MPAA action will do something to stem the tide, much like King Canute. 
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vic102482
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said by Fountainhead  :
Here's an idea...
Dont illegally download music and film...
Suddenly.. no problem...
It's magic!
Get netflix and a DVD burner!
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SuperJudge
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said by Fountainhead :
Here's an idea...
Dont illegally download music and film...
Suddenly.. no problem...
It's magic!
I think you made them see the light! Jerk.
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ObdH
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said by Fountainhead :
Here's an idea...
Dont illegally download music and film...
Suddenly.. no problem...
It's magic!
once again a clueless idiot taps in...
its about Sharing, not downloading
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Logan 5
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said by Fountainhead :
Here's an idea... Dont illegally download music and film... Suddenly.. no problem... It's magic!
And don't use a copyrighted TV and Movie animated character as your Avatar on BBR either.
SPECIFIC EXAMPLE: Do you have a letter of permission from Mike Judge and MTV to use Bevis's likeness and mannerisms in your avatar? If you don't, you are no better than those you seek to label as music, movie and software thieves as you are violating an established copyright just like the people you are 'against' are claimed to have or are doing.
This Avatar is illegal using your way of thinking:
Do you feel that EVERYONE here on BBR who is using a copyrighted image or likeness of something in or as their avatar is as guilty as the person who pirates the latest movie, album or CD??
People fail to look past their own shallow morals (or lack of morals) when rushing to condemn others for what they themselves do and think is no problem.... |
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Fountainhead
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| My use of this avatar has not cost Mike Judge or MTV money. And if they begin selling avatars, I will gladly pay them a fee. I think we need to keep things in perspective.
On the other hand, the pirating and sharing of movies costs the industry billions of dollars.
Go ahead... continue down this path and fight for it as if you are entitled to copy movies and share them... and in the end, these industries will crumble...
Congratulations... you win.
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SuperJudge
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reaver221
join:2003-05-08
Cincinnati, OH
| said by SuperJudge :
Beware of trolls, kids.
Fountainhead does have a point.
- His avatar isn't illegal by his way of thinking
- Sharing copyrighted music/movies/software/etc is illegal.
Ok, so, that's two points. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | reply to vic102482
I have a VAIO, VAIOs come with Click2DVD...hmmm, what is this for? Could it be for copying DVD movies?
NetFlix ROCKS! |
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KeepOnRockin
Music Lover Forever
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said by Fountainhead :
On the other hand, the pirating and sharing of movies costs the industry billions of dollars.
Billions? I highly doubt it.
I'd like to see some hard facts and figures for these "statistics of lost revenue"
It's like RIAA claiming music file swapping is costing the industry "billions" in lost revenue. Propaganda |
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Fountainhead
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I didn't say my use of the avatar is legal.
I said that the sale of images for avatars is currently not a business engaged in by MTV or Mike Judge and if they were to form a business by which I could pay them for the use, I would.
Much like a ringtone.
The use of this avatar has cost them zero cents.
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Fountainhead
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said by KeepOnRockin :
Billions? I highly doubt it.
I'd like to see some hard facts and figures for these "statistics of lost revenue"
It's like RIAA claiming music file swapping is costing the industry "billions" in lost revenue. Propaganda
You are sorely mistaken. Pirating has long been a problem and the P2P network has made it easier. (Read Quote below)
The file swapping has most definitely cost the music industry billions of dollars. The record companies are dying. Staffing at major labels is down 80%. Marketing budgets are slashed, tour support is non-existent, and much fewer artists are getting signed...
From »www.cybercollege.com/frtv/frtv009.htm :
The Harry Potter movie released in late 2001, for example, was available on DVD in Asia for about one dollar a copy--only two days after the film debuted in U.S. theaters.
According to Jack Valenti, President of the Motion Picture Association of America, "Piracy saps $3.5 billion from the motion picture industry and discourages studios from releasing more digital content."
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dadkins
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2 edits | "The Harry Potter movie released in late 2001, for example, was available on DVD in Asia for about one dollar a copy--only two days after the film debuted in U.S. theaters.
According to Jack Valenti, President of the Motion Picture Association of America, "Piracy saps $3.5 billion from the motion picture industry and discourages studios from releasing more digital content."
Where do you see P2P file sharing in that statement? I see where it refers to copying movies in Asia, but nothing about file sharers. |
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Fountainhead
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| Ok...
Here...
Since you can't make the connection yourself, I have dug out the info for you...
»www.guardian.co.uk/business/stor···,00.html
Film industry pays dearly for piracy
Richard Wray
Tuesday October 21, 2003
The Guardian
The impact of internet piracy could be losing the film industry $460m (£275m) annually within seven years unless the leading motion picture studios and distributors act now, warns a new report.
Informa Media Group believes revenues from legitimate sales of movies over the internet will be more than $870m by 2010. But sales over the internet would be worth $1.33bn if the industry clamped down completely on online piracy.
Adam Thomas, the author of the report, Film on the Internet, said the industry is unlikely to go the same way as the music labels, where online piracy has had a major effect on profits, but the studios should not be complacent.
"It is not going to be the cataclysmic event that the music industry experienced but there are warning signs and it could be a serious issue," he said.
In fact, the prognosis given in the Informa report is not as dire as one given earlier in the year by Deloitte & Touche. A report from the consultants warned that online piracy could cost the top studios up to $4bn annually within the next two years.
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Yowzaaah
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"According to Jack Valenti, President of the Motion Picture Association of America, "Piracy saps $3.5 billion from the motion picture industry and discourages studios from releasing more digital content." _________________________________________________________________________________ _______
Since we're turning to Jack Valenti for all our facts, figures and moral leadership, here's another sage-like piece of brain spew from our favorite octogenarian champion of the status quo:
"I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone."
He said this in "expert" testimony to Congress in 1982. He also called the VCR an "avalanche" and a "tidal wave", and said it would make the film industry "bleed and bleed and hemorrhage". It's stunning to see just how little the MPAA's arguments have changed in two decades." Compare it to the "Analog Hole" crap they were "fixing" with the DMCA and they're virtually identical (except Valenti was playing on anti-Japanese sentiment then, and today it's anti-pirate sentiment). Of course, the MPAA was unsuccessful in plugging the "VCR Hole" - insufficient lobbying and knowledgeable judges familiar with the use of a VCR stopped them. The MPAA successfully adapted to the changing times and even today in the DVD age sells about 70 million cassettes for rentals and 600 million cassettes for home viewing every year (both numbers are on the decline due to the rise of DVD).
The media content industry is the most LAZY, BACKWARD, STATUS QUO LEGISLATING industry on the face of the earth. AND there is a DIRECT correlation between their tactics and anti-innovative conduct and the "creep" of Copyright protection and length in the last 40 years.
They NEED to be shoved out of the debate. If "stealing" from them is the only way to make them less powerful (i.e. less money in = less money to grease legislators with) then I think it's a WONDERFUL thing.
Avast Yee Mateys! Arr Arr Arr, look at me I'm a PIRATE! |
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KeepOnRockin
Music Lover Forever
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Since we're turning to Jack Valenti for all our facts, figures and moral leadership, here's another sage-like piece of brain spew from our favorite octogenarian champion of the status quo
lol. 
Definitely the champion of the status quo. |
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davebenham
join:2002-01-31
Round Lake, IL
| reply to ObdH
He's not really clueless. He actually has a very simple and effective solution to the problem.
If you download a copyrighted digital file you have no legal rights to, you have committed an illegal act. There's really no room for debate on that.
The real issue in the Hollywood vs. FileSharers war is the concept of fair use and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Fair use grants consumers rights to make copies of copyrighted works for personal use, but the DMCA says it is illegal to circumvent security measures on digital material.
So, fair use says I have a legal right to copy a DVD for personal use, say to protect my investment against scratches. However, the DMCA makes it illegal to copy an encrypted DVD.
Publishers are asking for tight control of their product that allows them to prevent even legal copying of their work by consumers.
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davebenham
join:2002-01-31
Round Lake, IL
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I don't think US copyright law prevents usage of images in this manner. Even if it did, the economic impact of his use of the image is nil, as previously stated. The economic impact of illegal file sharing is millions of times greater. There is really no comparison between the two. |
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