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Varangian

join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL

It's ours

THe internet is an entirely American invention, the resut of our tax dollars.
Handing contol to the UN is unacceptable. Period.
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said by Varangian:
THe internet is an entirely American invention, the resut of our tax dollars.
Handing contol to the UN is unacceptable. Period.

Afraid not.

Have you heard of Tim Berners-Lee who developed the first Web browser and Web server, and is head of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)?

He's British not American.

WWWisnottheInternet

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Re: It's ours

Um... yeah, the World Wide Web is nice, but it's NOT the Internet. Anybody who automatically think the WWW is the Internet is a n00b. The Internet is the result of a project by DARPA (Defense Advanced Research and Projects Agency) which was part of the Department of Defense in the 1960's. It it because of this project that the Internet emerged as a direct result.

WWWisnottheInternet

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Re: It's ours

This project, as a I neglected to mention in my last post, was called ARPAnet.
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Re: It's ours

I am well aware of ARPAnet.
I have studied computing and networking for years.
I know of it's origin.
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I'm not a n00b at all.
I am aware that the web is not the Internet but contributions to the Internet as we know it have been made by many persons around the world.

Did you read the article that Dave posted the link to BTW?

The key new project was the development of an idea he had originated in 1965: that to achieve communication between computers a fast message-switching communication service was needed, in which long messages were split into chunks sent separately so as to minimise the risk of congestion. The chunks he called packets, and the technique became known as packet-switching.

His network design was received enthusiastically by America's Advanced Research Project Agency (ARPA), and the Arpanet and the NPL local network became the first two computer networks in the world using the technique. Today's Internet can be traced back directly to this origin.

WePaidForIt

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I am not denying the fact that different people around the world contributed their ideas. HOWEVER, the fact remains that ARPA was already working on this project when he made this discovery. If he had so wanted to, he could have started his own network. Or maybe not? It took LOTS of money for ARPA to pay for all R&D, prototyping, etc. Where'd all that money come from? Not some backwards third-world country. The USA footed the bill, hence it is ours.
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The United Kingdom is hardly a backwards third-world country.

EDIT: Read the article if you haven't already:

»www.thocp.net/biographies/davies_donald.htm

logcabinboy

join:2001-07-23
Whitmore, CA

Re: It's ours

said by x_:
The United Kingdom is hardly a backwards third-world country.


Yes it is.
dave
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Re: It's ours

said by logcabinboy:
said by x_:
The United Kingdom is hardly a backwards third-world country.


Yes it is.

Well, that's pretty much par for this thread, isn't it? Claim that words have something other than their accepted meaning.

Standard terminology is that Europe = first world, America = second world. This is not a value judgement, not a comment on GNP, nor anything else other than a comment on the colonization process (as seen by Europeans and Americans descended from Europeans, to be sure).
Lorcan8

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Rosemount, MN

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The World Wide Web is an application of the Internet, it is not the Internet itself. The internet isn't something tangible that you can describe. If you know so much, then you'd know the Internet as it is right now was finished in 1969, yes. It was researched into the possibility to survive nuclear wars because of the launch of Sputnik.

As you would know, It was created by the Advanced Research Projects Agency, and it was funded by the US Military which gets its money from taxpayers. Yes, it was an American invention. How about the creator of the Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol stack? Vint Cerf is American, and the co-creator of the TCP/IP Protocol, Robert E. Kahn, is also.
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Re: It's ours

I was responding to a comment that the Internet is entirely an American invention.
It is very likely that it would not have existed without work being done in other countries.
At the very least it may not have resembled what we use today.

zoom3148
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said by x_:
said by Varangian:
THe internet is an entirely American invention, the resut of our tax dollars.
Handing contol to the UN is unacceptable. Period.

Afraid not.

Have you heard of Tim Berners-Lee who developed the first Web browser and Web server, and is head of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)?

He's British not American.

You are talking about a Web Browser and Web Server, Not the Internet, The Internet was called Arpanet (Arpanet was meant to be a way for Military Bases to communicate with each other in case of a Nuclear War, Thankfully that never happened) before It was Declassified by the US Government. And so It was Paid for By the US Taxpayers, Not the British..... As the Internet Existed before the World Wide Web did, So Please Get back on Topic.......:p:p:p

Here's a Link in Case someone doubts Me: Internet History
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dave
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Oh, and packet-switching was invented in England, as well.
dave
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While the web is not the internet, and the internet is not the web, the web is part of the internet. (Clearly it is, otherwise the web protocols would not be under the control of any internet-related body).

So, if

a) the web was invented by a non-american
b) the web is part of the internet,

then it is not true that

c) the internet is an entirely American invention.

Actually, I don't give a rats arse who invented what; the process of creation is way too complicated to figure out who did what and where they got the ideas from. I'm simply responding to the ignorant small-minded nature of the initial posting in this thread.

DaDogs
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What the heck is all this jabber about???

Saying that HTTP (www) is somehow related to the development of IP (Internet) is like saying that AOL Chat is somehow related to the invention of the Internet... PLUMB STUPID...

Here, read these, I don't have time to explaine all this to you folks but stop fighting over stupid comments... eh?

»www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=U···e+Search
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Re: It's ours

Did you read through all of the comments?

I've already stated that I was aware of ARPAnet.

I posted the info about Tim Berners Lee and Donald W. Davies because I took offence at the comment:
"the internet is an entirely American invention"

That would state that other countries have made no contributions to it's development, which is false.
dave
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Those who forget history, etc.

In case you don't remember back to those heady days of, say, 1990, the web was what made the Internet the mass-market phenomenon that it is today. Before then, we were using mostly SMTP and FTP (and of course my own distributed-scrabble protocol, Scrabble Network Architecture, sadly unpublished due to legal constraints on both the game and the acronym). Without the web there would be very little Internet use 'at home' - the web is what made the net safe for commerce.

So, if Americans would like to take their Internet Protocol and go home, I think that would be just fine, as long as they realise that it'll be operating without HTTP or HTML (the W3 Consortium will have to move back to Geneva).

This is, of course, a fatuous reply. The American part of the Internet can't live without the web any more than the global Internet can live without the American part.

By the way, for the record, I can't see the UN doing a particularly good job. They'd be far too influenced by PTTs. I prefer the IETF's approach of "implement then standardize" over the ISO's "standardize then implement" any day. OSI protocol stack, anyone? (I speak as someone who has implemented some OSI protocols).

But just because I'm not in favour of the UN running the 'net doesn't mean I see eye to eye with all this "it's ours" short-sighted jingoistic nonsense.

DaDogs
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Re: It's ours

said by dave:
Those who forget history, etc.

In case you don't remember back to those heady days of, say, 1990, the web was what made the Internet the mass-market phenomenon that it is today. Before then, we were using mostly SMTP and FTP (and of course my own distributed-scrabble protocol, Scrabble Network Architecture, sadly unpublished due to legal constraints on both the game and the acronym). Without the web there would be very little Internet use 'at home' - the web is what made the net safe for commerce.

So, if Americans would like to take their Internet Protocol and go home, I think that would be just fine, as long as they realise that it'll be operating without HTTP or HTML (the W3 Consortium will have to move back to Geneva).

This is, of course, a fatuous reply. The American part of the Internet can't live without the web any more than the global Internet can live without the American part.

By the way, for the record, I can't see the UN doing a particularly good job. They'd be far too influenced by PTTs. I prefer the IETF's approach of "implement then standardize" over the ISO's "standardize then implement" any day. OSI protocol stack, anyone? (I speak as someone who has implemented some OSI protocols).

But just because I'm not in favour of the UN running the 'net doesn't mean I see eye to eye with all this "it's ours" short-sighted jingoistic nonsense.

Whatever...

I realize that many excellent contributions have been made by other nations... in every science, in every technology.

The web did not make the Internet safe for commerce. SSL and TLS made the Internet safe for commerce.

My comment was really aimed at getting past the stupid arguments flying around. For my part, though I liked the net just fine without HTTP. Did HTTP put the net into the hands of John Q? 'course it did. It enabled every freakin' LUSER on the planet to use IE to go get 'phished' and they are busily at it at the moment... LoL. There's fatuous.

Admittedly the Web was a great contribution. You do realize that HTML derives largely from some of Apple's earlier works with markup languages, right? If you want to take it and go home, I expect I'll get used to working without it. But as an ISP, my customers won't be able to get their PORN and any ISP will tell you there are two things the web provides which make ISP's a viable business. They are PORN and CHAT... Men want PORN, women want CHAT. A simple study of DNS logs on any ISP will document what I've just written. The ratios are changing but if you took away the porn and chat the ISP business would suffer a 40 percent loss in revenue in the first year. Sucks, but reality often does.

So thanks WWW for making the Internet what it is today.
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