Re: Fantastic! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r9804376 en Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:02:46 EDT Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:02:46 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9883654 RFJock : Lets see....

500 miles
That's 2,640,000 feet
1 repeater every 1000 feet
at about $750.00 each
that's just short of 2 million bucks

2 million bucks worth of fiber would go a loooong way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9883654 Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:37:36 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9805928 shaner : Yeah, within 200 miles of the border. With only 30 million people. The DC to Boston corridor has that many people. But I do understand what you're saying.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9805928 Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:48:59 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9804376 Hayward :
said by shaner See Profile:
Oh, I see. I forgot the US has DSL deployment issues.
Well if you Canadians ever decided to move more than 5 miles from the US border and populate the Great White North so would you. ;)

I know a SLIGHT exaggeration, but 90% of the Canadian population is concentrated along the US border and coastlines.
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said by Dragasoni See Profile:
You forgot to mention that Candian's can drive either! You all drive slow in the left lane down here in Florida, and annoy me to hell.

I'll take our "DSL deployment issues" and you take a driving course! :D

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Hahahha!! Those are the old ones we set adrift to die. :) In the old days, we used ice floes. Today, we use Crown Victorias, Impalas, and Caddys'.


LMFAO!!!!

Seriously though, BPL is in its infancy, if they can get it depployed into more rural areas it'd be a big boon for the carriers and possibly get the Telcos to speed deployment as well as whip the Cable companies into shape.

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said by en102 See Profile:
There are still quite a lot of areas in Ontario that don't have any form of broadband (DSL or Cable). I think hell will freeze over before they get dsl in White River, Ontario
Haha!! The brithplace of the true Winnie the Pooh!

White River is only a hop north of Thunder Bay. It's not out of the question DSL may be available there down the road. At the very least, Thunder Bay is the first municipality in Canada to attempt the whole BPL thing on a large scale.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9790843 Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:04:42 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9790808 shaner :
said by Dragasoni See Profile:
You forgot to mention that Candian's can drive either! You all drive slow in the left lane down here in Florida, and annoy me to hell.

I'll take our "DSL deployment issues" and you take a driving course! :D

-Dragasoni-
Hahahha!! Those are the old ones we set adrift to die. :) In the old days, we used ice floes. Today, we use Crown Victorias, Impalas, and Caddys'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9790808 Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:00:32 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9790682 en102 : There are still quite a lot of areas in Ontario that don't have any form of broadband (DSL or Cable). I think hell will freeze over before they get dsl in White River, Ontario]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9790682 Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:46:33 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9790493 Dragasoni : You forgot to mention that Candian's can drive either! You all drive slow in the left lane down here in Florida, and annoy me to hell.

I'll take our "DSL deployment issues" and you take a driving course! :D

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said by shaner See Profile:
I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?


They do.. I could get this here(if I actually had a POTS line)

For $29.95 a month:
* Up to 256Kbps downstream X 128Kbps upstream
* Dynamic IP, Static IP upgrade available
* 1 back-up dial account
* 5 mailboxes per account*
* 10MB storage per mailbox
* 10MB personal Web space]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9789623 Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:50:50 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9789521 rf_engineer :
said by Nightfall See Profile:
said by rf_engineer See Profile:
said by Psychephylax See Profile:
said by shaner See Profile:
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.


The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.


The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.

For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.

From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable.

Do you have any links to the actual native range of BPL? Someone say 500 miles, you say 200 meters. I would like to read more about it. So far I haven't found any information on the actual range.


I think the 500 mile figure came from the article and it actually means they're going to light up 500 miles of line.

BPL uses radio energy on an unshielded medium, power lines. Unlike copper twisted pair (phone lines and DSL) or coaxial cable (Cable Modem), it severely attenuates and radiates radio signals on the line. So due to physics it can't carry the signal far without regeneration using repeaters.

I have yet to see a BPL equipment vendor publish their exact distances on the web, but some good information can be gleaned from the FCC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking comment filings »www.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/hyperlinks.html . An Ambient system in my area uses feedpoints every 100 yards or so. The exact distances are going to vary between vendors, but it's no where near 500 miles. If the same logic were applied to cable and DSL, all of Antarctica could have broadband next week :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9789521 Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:40:04 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9789363 anon : I think that I read somewhere that degradable range on the native lines was in the 400 meters or just about 1300 feet -range without repeaters or additional amplifications. And extended coverages where an estimated 500 miles of line coverage (500 miles of actual line not a 500 mile range) Or about 4 times the basic DSL coverage cable lengths. I am not sure if this are true. Does anyone have a link to some specs? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9789363 Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:24:23 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9789105 Nightfall :
said by rf_engineer See Profile:
said by Psychephylax See Profile:
said by shaner See Profile:
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.


The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.


The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.

For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.

From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable.

Do you have any links to the actual native range of BPL? Someone say 500 miles, you say 200 meters. I would like to read more about it. So far I haven't found any information on the actual range.
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said by Psychephylax See Profile:
said by shaner See Profile:
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.


The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.


The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.

For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.

From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9788735 Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:15:54 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9788508 stateq2 :
said by shaner See Profile:
Well, more like 128/128. But yeah, there is a cap. I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?

I wasn't trying to slag the US in terms of DSL deployment. It's just surprising that a country as heavily populated and industrialised has problems getting DSL service. FYI, there are a lot of smaller rural communities here in Canada that get 3 meg DSL service. And I mean small.


yep...the US has big problems w/ dsl deployment....which is why i switched to cable.
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said by Psychephylax See Profile:
BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
That would not be possible without a string of repeaters... But it is impressive if comparing only range.
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I wasn't trying to slag the US in terms of DSL deployment. It's just surprising that a country as heavily populated and industrialised has problems getting DSL service. FYI, there are a lot of smaller rural communities here in Canada that get 3 meg DSL service. And I mean small.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9788469 Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:42:41 EDT Re: Fantastic! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9788418 HiVolt :
said by shaner See Profile:
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.


Shaner, you know that it isnt 256/256, its 128/64, and its not unlimited, its has a 2GB cap with $8 per gig after. ;)
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said by shaner See Profile:
Oh, I see. I forgot the US has DSL deployment issues.


What the hell does that suppose to mean? you think dsl is in every single spot of canada? dont think so.

Well... canada has cable development problems :p
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I do see your point though, but 500 miles is quite far in comparison to DSL. DSL does seem to have them beat on throughput for now though.
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said by shaner See Profile:
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.


The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
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BPL may even force some cable/DSL Companies to lower their prices or to provide better service. To me, it's not HOW much I am paying, it's the quality of the service I recieve from both the Internet and the customer service.
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