Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r9626322 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:35:30 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:35:30 EDT Re: Poor ole Charlie http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9651374 jmn1207 :
said by petermeyers See Profile:
I have had Dish for 4 years, and its not the loss of the few channels that irks me. It was listening to him talking to his call in customers. Especially the woman who complained the customer service rep hung up on her. I couldn't help but notice that old Charlie addressed the channel issue, but did not address the fact that one of his employees hung up on one of his customers. Sad way to look at business. I'm pulling the plug in the morning.
Obviously a loss of a major channel is a bit more important than some dolt making twelve dollars an hour at customer service that hung up on a customer. Charlie Chats are something that you will never get with whatever service floats your boat. The CEO is actually talking to the customers and you belittle this man. You think the CEO of any other cable or satellite company would give you the time of day, much less keep the customers informed about situations regarding your service?

This is stupid. Almost like saying you don't like the way the lifeguard swam over to save your child's life.

Good luck with your new service. Hope it gives you half the trouble Dish Network did. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9651374 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:19:04 EDT Poor ole Charlie http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9651096 petermeyers : I have had Dish for 4 years, and its not the loss of the few channels that irks me. It was listening to him talking to his call in customers. Especially the woman who complained the customer service rep hung up on her. I couldn't help but notice that old Charlie addressed the channel issue, but did not address the fact that one of his employees hung up on one of his customers. Sad way to look at business. I'm pulling the plug in the morning.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9651096 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:50:51 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9650741 J D McDorce :
said by mklangelo See Profile:
But what other channels are viacom?
Cable networks are shown here: »www.viacom.com/unitbyseg.tin?sBu···name=ctv

By the way, it looks like the spat has been settled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9650741 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:12:16 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9650259 mklangelo : Losing MTV is a good thing. But what other channels are viacom? MTV is vapid bullshit btw.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9650259 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:22:40 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9648366 anon : I got those prices from A)my DISH network bill and posted it verbatim as it is described in writing on the back of the bill. B)For Direct TV I have what you have -but not the $4.99 per each additional TV. Hence, for the same money, I'll come out ahead 1 receiver with programming ...Unless there's more fine print I'm missing.

PS. You answered my question which I posted in earnest: According to your info it was VIACOM who "pulled the plug" and if I had a way to stick it to them, I certainly would. Both companies are in the wrong however, because in no other business would the customers be involved in such a manner. Just bad business all around.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9648366 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:43:57 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9648241 Hall : Where'd you get those prices ??

Dish's Digital Home Advantage: (3) TVs, Top 120 package w/ locals = $44.99/month + $5.00 for 2nd receiver (receiver # 1 will be a dual-tuner). Total = $49.99
(»www.dishnetwork.com/images/getdi···rice.gif, »www.dishnetwork.com/content/getd···ex.shtml (fine print at bottom of page))

DirecTV: (3) TVs, Total Choice ("over 130 channels") w/ locals = $39.99/month + "$4.99/mo. for separate programming on second and each additional TV". Total = $49.97
(»www.directv.com/DTVAPP/NewHardwa···n&VID=DS)

Whoops, you're right, DTV is cheaper... ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9648241 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:27:33 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9647982 anon : DISH: Digital Home plan with AT100, 2 Receivers (The second with not all the features as the first),+ Locals = 49.98 standard.

Direct TV: 3 Receivers, Same channels, + Locals = 39.99 Standard.

This is in Raleigh, NC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9647982 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:58:57 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9647882 anon : "A one dollar refund is not chump change when you multiply that by the number of customers. That's almost ten million dollars for 36 hours of lost programming!"

Charlie, is that you posting in this forum? One dollar IS an insult. I'd rather them give $10 million to one lucky DISH viewer than insult me with a buck. Then he has the audacity to come on "Charlie Chat" and say we've had customers say "Forget the Viacom Channels, I'm going to pocket this dollar!" like he'd won the lottery. Let me put this way, if my own Grandmother gave me a dollar these days for my birthday, I'd tell her -like I'm telling Charlie now- keep the dollar and go buy yourself some dignity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9647882 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:46:26 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9647863 Hall : I don't know if Viacom encrypts their signals when they're sent out and then "authorized" broadcasters unlock them with their key... Even if they were not encrypted, Viacom and Dish have, or had, a contract and if it's no longer in place, Dish isn't allowed to re-transmit the signal.

I don't know why it's an issue unless you want to use it as an excuse to cancel. If Dish "pulled the plug" it's because they had to. Your PS explains your logic anyway... By the way, let us know how/where Dish is $10 higher than DTV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9647863 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:44:21 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9647732 anon : All I want to know is who pulled the plug? Viacom says Dish Network pulled it's channels and Dish Network says Viacom legally prevented them from airing the channels. So which is it? If it's Dish, I'm definitely changing carriers. If it's viacom, I don't know what I'll do -they got me by the cahoonies 'cause they're mainly all we watch.

PS. Don't shed a tear for Dish ...They're not fighting for the little guy -They're fighting to line their pockets. They're already about $10 higher monthly than Direct TV which is why I'm probably going to switch carriers regardless of who pulled the channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9647732 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:30:05 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9646619 jmn1207 :
said by rottnpup See Profile:
It's not Charlies standing up for what he thinks is right that irritates me.........its Charlies throwing me a $1 month credit on my $60 a month bill that does!

Our family has lost some of its most watched channels and $1 is nothing but an insult!
A one dollar refund is not chump change when you multiply that by the number of customers. That's almost ten million dollars for 36 hours of lost programming! Give your kids a ball and throw them outside. It wasn't even two full days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9646619 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:14:22 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9644388 corinas0128 : Personally my problem with good old Charlie is that he feels that these channels are not "important" enough as per his own words via a Charlie Chat. For those of us that have children, we know that while Nickelodeon may not be "important" to him...it is one of the few channels that will keep our kids interests.

When did he decided was was important for my family?

-Switched to DirectTV]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9644388 Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:11:02 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9642299 stateq2 :
said by rottnpup See Profile:
It's not Charlies standing up for what he thinks is right that irritates me.........its Charlies throwing me a $1 month credit on my $60 a month bill that does!

Our family has lost some of its most watched channels and $1 is nothing but an insult!

Now if I understand this correctly Viacom originally wanted to raise the rate by 6%. Now Charlie is not giving me these channels anymore therefore crediting me $1 a month!
(Must be what he is paying for the Viacom Channels because that is what he is crediting me for not having them)

Now 6% of $1 is 6 cents, now just two months ago Charlie raised my monthly rate by $3 a month! Now that would amount to only 2% of Charlies last monthly increase!

I am sorry but I am having a hard time understanding the numbers of logic here??


Dish network charges $45 a month for 180 channels. That's about $0.25 per channel....so IMO, they should be giving us about $2 off the bill each month (and free premium channels for a couple months would be a nice bonus ;))
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Our family has lost some of its most watched channels and $1 is nothing but an insult!

Now if I understand this correctly Viacom originally wanted to raise the rate by 6%. Now Charlie is not giving me these channels anymore therefore crediting me $1 a month!
(Must be what he is paying for the Viacom Channels because that is what he is crediting me for not having them)

Now 6% of $1 is 6 cents, now just two months ago Charlie raised my monthly rate by $3 a month! Now that would amount to only 2% of Charlies last monthly increase!

I am sorry but I am having a hard time understanding the numbers of logic here??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9636226 Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:31:09 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9634843 Hall : Channels were pulled from *every* market, not 15 or 16. Those channels are the MTV, Nick, Comedy Central, and so on. The "15 or 16" markets affected have the local CBS station also owned by Viacom (Viacom owns "CBS TV", i.e. the network, local stations are like franchises in that they have the same 'name', but it's name only). The CBS station in my town is owned by Cox Communications and it's still being broadcast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9634843 Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:00:57 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9634768 BetaTech : If it was just 6 cents per subscriber don't you think Charlie would have signed the contract. Or do you think that Charlie would reimburse the subscribers $1 or $2 that have local CBS and the other Viacom channels? I for one don't see that. Channels were pulled from 15 or 16 markets. Now why is it that CBS is still broadcasting in about 90 other markets. Because, Viacom wants more money than what it is costing for the other 90 Markets.
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Said.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9628954 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:17:17 EDT I'm still upset over the PVR to DVR rip off fee. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9628951 Sarick : Still upset over the PVR to DVR rip off fee.

People talk about a $3 per month increase?

They still haven't figured out that the DVR systems are based on a $4-$6 a month just for having fast forward, pause, rewind and record.

Comparable to buying a VCR then paying for a remote control service fee for the new VCR you own! No the VCR doesn't require special access to the VCR manufacture outside the standard models it just has a V-Chip or something installed.

The people with TiVo by a service that logs all the channels and timezones. The Dish network has the channel listing by default. Yet it cost more for a dish system that has DVR hardware over a standard system. TiVo users pay for guide services.

Fact is DVR owners get charged $48-$72 more per year. Unless they are on the everything package. Others are willing to buy enough junk to cover the $5 fee.

I'm still using a PVR device, they can KEEP their feedthepig DVR systems.

It's only greed if it effects Charlie's bottom line and it's someone else wanting the increase.

They still haven't fixed the rare condition when all my channels go black. Had something to do with sending me refurbrished LNBA where I paid for a NEW unit.

That is another story..
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In any case, Dish Net customers are "likely" TV viewers. After all, they did pay for it. Not everyone who owns a TV watches it. Cable and dish customers definitely will! Advertisers know this. Not a good year so far for Viacom. NFL ditches MTV as their Super Bowl entertainment cooordinator, Martha Stewart, & now this move by Dish Network.

Other than CSI, what else does CBS has to offer? MTV stinks and spongebob is decaying kids minds worse than Elmo. New South Park episodes are harder to find than Saddam was. What are we really missing with Viacom shows anyways?

By the way, I got a friend who has had a dish since the mid 80s. It's the old giant type, not the mini-dishes that are out now. Anyways he picks up everything. Gotta talk to that fella ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9628559 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:36:00 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9628322 anon : MTV should be off the air anyways.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9628322 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:08:19 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9628074 jmn1207 :
said by cjynx See Profile:
I think I read somewhere that Dish raised their prices by $3 sometime over this past year. CBS/Viacom wanted 6 pennies of that $3 and Dish said no. I don't think giving them 6 pennies would have raised the rates to the customer. I don't have a dish and never will, but its just my two cents, now someone just needs 4 more and they can get back their missing channels.
That's certainly one spin.

Read both sides of the story, first is Viacom's(the version you heard), followed by Dish Central's:

»CBS takes offensive against Dish Network/EchoStar]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9628074 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:41:58 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9627986 cyrus369 : whos want to record sponge bob for me>? this is ridiculous, im glad they have the balls to stand up to viacom, but i want my sponge bob damit!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9627986 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:32:05 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9627842 cjynx : I think I read somewhere that Dish raised their prices by $3 sometime over this past year. CBS/Viacom wanted 6 pennies of that $3 and Dish said no. I don't think giving them 6 pennies would have raised the rates to the customer. I don't have a dish and never will, but its just my two cents, now someone just needs 4 more and they can get back their missing channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9627842 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:17:17 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9627572 pepperhead :
said by obladi6703 See Profile:
I recomend everyone purchase directv with tivo. The tivo unit is only $99 and the dual tuners, which allow you to watch one channel while another records or record two programs at once, are great. I currently receive the premium package, all channels, for $85 (They give me $20 off a month). When you are a subscriber for at least six months you can receive great deals.


The reason most people are going to dish to save money. What you are suggesting would raise my rates. I know tivo's are great and all but I don't watch that much TV to justify owning one and most movie channels show movies I have no interest in.
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said by NPGMBR See Profile:
If I remember correctly this did happen with Comcast a few years back but it was with Disney.

It wasn't Comcast, it was Time Warner.
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said by pepperhead See Profile:
Part of the reason I was going to go to dish is to save money. One of the channels I really wanted to get was TV Land.


TVLand is not effected (so far). As of 1:55pm Tues it's up and running on my Dish sub.

As far as these Viacom channels being "freebies", to be honest the content has become so lousy that they should be paying me to have them on my sub. Good to see Dish stand up to them. Their doing what I pay them to do. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9627005 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:53:54 EDT Looks like the market is agree'ing with Dish http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626803 Niarlan : Looks like the stock market is making it's vote..


Some tech companies did manage to push ahead. Shares of EchoStar Communications added 77 cents, or 2.3%, to $34.95 on Nasdaq. The satellite- television company removed Viacom-owned channels from its Dish Network system in 16 markets in response to a dispute over programming fees. Viacom channels include CBS affiliates, Comedy Central, MTV and Nickelodeon. Class A shares of Viacom dropped 40 cents, or 1%, to $39.18 on the Big Board.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626803 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:31:17 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626730 Hall : The channels in dispute are more or less "freebies" I think... Dish, DirecTV, and most cable companies offer channels like Nickleodean, Comedy Central, and the others affected by this in their "standard" (not cable's most basic, required) package. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626730 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:23:57 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626497 J D McDorce : While I tend to agree, is anyone else wondering why Showtime and The Movie Channel haven't come into play in this little spat? While these premium channels are likely under a separate contract, both are owned by Viacom.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626497 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:00:05 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626468 pepperhead : Part of the reason I was going to go to dish is to save money. One of the channels I really wanted to get was TV Land. I could care less about most of the other Viacom channels. If they move some of the channels up a tier or lower their prices I might get them anyway. I am tired of the media conglomerates making underwater basket weaving channels and using their power to force them on cable and satellite providers.
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Additionally, everytime some major league athelete or popstar gets some outrageous contract with millions, the owner of that contract passes on the cost to cable and satellite companies who ultimately pass it onto customers.

Ecostar/DirectTV or whoever they are is doing the right thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626396 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 12:49:31 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626380 Hall : I agree and as I mentioned in this post, »CBS takes offensive against Dish Network/EchoStar, it's just Dish Network's turn currently... It will be DirecTV's turn someday as well as different cable companies soon too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626380 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 12:47:47 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626343 jmn1207 :
said by ddavtian See Profile:
This is amazing, what kind of B.S. is this, we have DirecTV and saw the message scroll on number of channels, MTV, BET, etc. I think this is something that Dish will regret, people will drop them like a bad habit and they should. This is pure B.S.
At least somebody has the guts to stand up to the likes of Viacom and their ilk. Dish Network has been extremely fair to its customer base with regards to prices over the last few years. This falls more on the hands of Viacom's insatiable greed rather than Dish Network's resistance to be extorted.

I hope Dish Network refuses to let Viacom back, ever. If they did this, I swear that I would start an account with Dish Networks for their basic package, even though my apartment faces northward and I would never be able to get a signal. Seriously. Go Dish Networks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626343 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 12:43:45 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626322 fantomposter :
said by ddavtian See Profile:
This is amazing, what kind of B.S. is this, we have DirecTV and saw the message scroll on number of channels, MTV, BET, etc. I think this is something that Dish will regret, people will drop them like a bad habit and they should. This is pure B.S.


Consider this. The contract that your provider, DirectTV has with Viacom will come up for negotiation next year. Based soley upon your attitude I hope Viacom hits DirectTV with a HUGE rate increase and that DirectTV passes it on to you.

Me, I will stand by Dish. They are fighting to keep my rates low. Nothing wrong with that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626322 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 12:41:35 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626292 moonpuppy : You can put off your choice now. But you have to remember that this might happen again with another supplier such as Comcast, DirectTV, Cox, and so on.

I think everyone is waiting for the court decision. If it goes in favor of DISH, then consumers win. If it goes Viacom's way, then be ready for the battles.

I hope DISH stays firm.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626292 Tue, 09 Mar 2004 12:38:21 EDT Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9626273 ddavtian : DELETED

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