Home Networking is ON! in Comcast HSI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r8473220 en Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:06:58 EDT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:06:58 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8979195 homer388 : Yup that's what i did to get my old network to go out.Just change the wan side of the old router to match the New network.Saved me time in reconfiguration]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8979195 Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:56:51 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8963903 hryb : Hello? anyone here ?

Is this thing on?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8963903 Sat, 03 Jan 2004 02:42:53 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8881628 hryb : I am trying to get up to speed (no pun intended) on the Home Networking option. I am in Seattle, so I don't think it's available yet. I have an extensive wired/wireless network already in my house (who doesn't) and my Microsoft routers are working great. What I'd like to do (and I want someone to confirm) is to get the HN option and just plug my existing MS MN700 router into the Linksys device, and then place it in the DMZ. I then would to all of my own admining via the MN700. Would that work? I see a lot of people discussing plugging their router into the Linksys.....but I can't seem to get confirmation that it ACTUALLY WORKS...thus bypassing the 5 IP address limitation of HN.

Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8881628 Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:04:30 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8874999 William Payton : Any modem on the Comcast network will accept the 4500 download 384 upload config file. However, it is a simple matter of Comcast not even considering to send the config file to customers who did not elect the HN package, and/or do not have a pro account.

I have had the pro account since it was initially offered. 3.0/256 and now its 4500/384 in my area. So there is no need for me to get the HN package.

BTW: I pay $20 bucks per month for the enhanced pro line and full tv package including VOD w/ 1/2 price PPV.

Tech 526
Southern Georgia]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8874999 Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:58:22 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8669023 imrf : That is pretty close to what one of the reasons are. Comcast does have access to remotely change the settings of the router itself, but in no way can they see what machines are on the router or anything like that. Those back doors are needed for the people who have no clue on how to network so that the tech can just go in change the settings and then tell the customer to have a great day. But otherwise yes, you have to take their modem/router combo, or you won't get the speeds for that price.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8669023 Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:29:52 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8668527 wissahic : If it's any help, I have it from a reliable source, that the reason that Comcast insists on you using their equipment for HN plan is because this equipment that is manufactured by Linksys for Comcast and has back doors for tech support and network trouble shooting. This would allow Comcast access to your entire network. I have this from a manager from Comcast and I was just discussing this with them over the weekend. You may want to confirm (if you can) with Comcast whether or not this is the case?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8668527 Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:40:52 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8639148 riekl : Of course there is :) Otherwise everyone would have basic cable and just not use it :)

"Basic 1" (the lowest level of cable in my area) costs $13.50/month.

So I did get basic 1 + HN in my case because even if you DONT get it you are paying for it with the "without cable tv" rates. Either way i was going to be paying $70 for internet it just depened on if i wanted the cable tv with it or not :)

So in short .. yes cable tv is going to cost you money in addition to the home networking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8639148 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:51:25 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8639106 vulture99 :
said by riekl See Profile:
same price ? HN = $10 more then silver ..


Hmmm, ok. Well, I currently pay $52.95/mo but that's the "without cable TV" option. I can't remember what the silver plan currently costs *with* cable TV, but I thought it was around the same price.

Home Networking plan is $52.95/mo with cable TV, and $67.95/mo without cable TV. I got those prices here after typing in my address and zip code.

So for me it would cost the same as what I'm currently paying, as long as I also get cable TV installed. Which is why I asked whether there is any extra cost in getting cable TV set up.

Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8639106 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:44:43 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638985 riekl : same price ? HN = $10 more then silver ..

you have to use their router and the first pc they do hook up "wired" just tell them to stop there and you can hook your other ones up yourself otherwise they WILL use the usb wireless the techs are monkeys they have a book that says pc #1 = wired pc #2 = wireless, and they follow it

(obviously there is an exception to every rule if you somehow get a tech that actually understands the concepts and not just step a followed by step b then they may set up the wired ones for you but its much easier to do it yourself).

As to reasons to "not" do HN well .. you have to use their equipment .. and you are limited to 5 internal ip's unless you hook up another router cascaded to it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638985 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:23:55 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638880 vulture99 : Home Networking appears to be available in my area, at least according to Comcast's availability tool.

Questions:

(1) I currently have 1800 downstream. For essentially the same price, this will bump me up to 4000/384? What's the catch?

(2) I currently do not have cable TV. Will they charge me extra to set that up as well? I may as well get it installed so that I can get the cheaper rate.

(3) I don't want the techs messing with my systems. I have 2 Windows boxes and 1 Linux box sitting behind an SMC router and an SB4100. None are wireless, and they don't need to be made wireless. I also plug in my work laptop sometimes, which can either be wired or wireless. Can I just tell them to set up the modem/router and then take a hike?

(4) Can anyone see a reason to NOT go for the HN plan? I mean, I can still hook up my existing router and the rest of my equipment to get around the 5 IP restriction, if needed.

Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638880 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:07:15 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638329 riekl : Ok cause i dont think its impossible :) i've done east coast, west coast, 4 differnt speakeasy tests, AND the optimum ftp server and they all confirm the exact same results .. 1.8/256]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638329 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:53:06 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638292 china crisis : From all the posts I'v read here over the last few weeks,you reciving a config file on home networking of 1.8/256 is impossible.According to all the posts the only config file that router will pull is the H.N. config file.Yes I'd call comcast and see if they can change it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638292 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:48:18 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638201 riekl : Thanks brent ! got into the config my setup is almost done ..

but .. i am still at 1.7M/256K .. should i call comcast ? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638201 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:36:55 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638023 china crisis :
said by riekl See Profile:
Well comcast techs are here and hooked everything up .. but i'm only getting 1700/256 , does it take a few hours for the HN config file ? Is there something else they need to do ?

Also what is the password to the router ? i saw the user name was comcast and the pw was a 4 digit number .. but dont know what the number was ?

»homenetworking.comcast.net/learnmore.asp#5]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8638023 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:12:01 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8637890 riekl : Well comcast techs are here and hooked everything up .. but i'm only getting 1700/256 , does it take a few hours for the HN config file ? Is there something else they need to do ?

Also what is the password to the router ? i saw the user name was comcast and the pw was a 4 digit number .. but dont know what the number was ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8637890 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:54:28 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8633340 imrf : Eastern MI has different prices due to a competing cable company. The price is $40.95 plus the standard $5 modem rental fee and the install fee is the same $99.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8633340 Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:18:18 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631731 riekl : imrf,

Close .. the $99 is a promotional install rate (its normally $199) but $57.95/month is the normal price for HN. The 6 month discount rate is 42.95/mo. (giver or take $3 i dont have my setup sheet in front of me)

At least these are my prices (western michigan).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631731 Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:01:34 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631608 marvin1 : Ahhh...I get it:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631608 Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:50:20 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631585 imrf : That price is for certain Comcast areas, it is an incentive to get people to switch to the HN package at a discounted rate for 6 months, then it goes back to the normal price.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631585 Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:47:32 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631415 marvin1 : The way I was told that its $57.95 a month for that whole thing...and $99 for the install charge. But I am not sure about $40.95 that you are refering to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631415 Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:24:00 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631390 marvin1 : I was told that I would be getting the speeds that you posted....are these part of Comcast's speed upgrades?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8631390 Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:20:28 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8626359 salwit : yes but tou need comcast router/modem combo to get the 4000-384 speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8626359 Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:11:19 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8624579 anon : I have a netgear RP114, will that work alright with this? I want to keep my Cat5 and lan the way it is now, being wired not wireless that is. The router dihes out IP's begining with:
192.168.0.2 Will it work if I just get the new networking modem/router and plug it into my negear router? basicly the same as I have it now except with the new modem. I have 3 PC's right now with the router. Thank you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8624579 Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:58:09 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8624245 riekl : imrf,

I will have to see this tommrow .. i am not aware of how they could restrict it. Yes they can limit the # of dhcp address's but unless they are using 5 static routes there is no way to limit it to 5 ip's for outbound traffic.

If the routers external address is (for example)

12.1.1.1/255.255.255.0 and its internal address is 192.168.100.1/255.255.255.0 (or 128 i keep hearing conflicting reports on this)

Then ANYTHING coming in the 192.168.100.1 interface that matches its local subnet will be forwarded back out the 12.1.1.1 interface. And even if they have static routes built in, there are all sorts of ways via SNMP to modify those :) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8624245 Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:03:39 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8621611 imrf : It doesn't work that way with that router. It already has a pool of 5 IP addresses that it will allow to access the internet. It will not allow any IP addresses that are out of its range internet access. So if you want more than 5 IPs then you have to stack a second router.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8621611 Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:58:47 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8620546 riekl : Surprised that this hasn't really been mentioned here .. but you don't need to add a second router in order to get more machines on the net.

Just give your machine's static IP's (not like they ever need to change anyway) i.e. i dont know the range the comcast does but if it is 192.168.100.0 like normal just assign your workstations 192.168.100.2 - 192.168.100.254 (.128 if they are forcing a .128 subnet mask on the router) and set your default gateway to 192.168.100.1 poof you have 128 or 254 ip's not relying on dhcp. I ALWAYS use statics for private ip's .. why ? #1) makes it easier to do port forwarding since things never change, #2) on bootup it takes a second or two less to acquire the network with a static vs dhcp address :) and that second or two is vaulable to me !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8620546 Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:56:20 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8619358 imrf : »homenetworking.comcast.net/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8619358 Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:54:32 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8619244 hubs187 : what products tab? does anyone know the direct site?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8619244 Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:38:13 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8605906 stanely : I just got the HN package installed and the modem/router I received was a Linksys/Comcast Wireless-G Cable Gateway WCG200-CC. Does this mean its 802.11G? I don't have a camera to take a pic but the unit is all black. All the setup screens that JeepMatt posted are the same and it has 1 usb/4 wired ports in the back. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8605906 Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:45:16 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8600236 JeepMatt : Hubby-
Go to www.comcast.net - then click on the Products tab.

You'll see Home Networking listed there.
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:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8596722 Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:22:18 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8589206 homer388 : I just got the hn and the only qualm i have is you cannot change the lan ip's to be different. you're stuck with 192.168.0.x. this creates a conflict if you're dialing in to a network with the same ip. the speeds have been good and is well worth it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8589206 Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:45:24 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8582484 niplet : it is all about controlling the quality of our experience as it was put to me yesterday and also eliminating the hassle of having to train their techs on every brand of router modem combo's out there, whihc would cost comcast lot's of dough, which in turn will make them raise rates before i for one and ready to pay an increase. i for one see no problem with the linksys combo that was installed, actually like having everything in one. less points of contact and hops for your signal to travel through. i have actually seen better throughput on this combo rather from my pro account, my pro account was running the 4300/384 config file. which just so happens to be the same as my HN. just my $.02]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8582484 Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:34:43 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8562913 imrf :
said by homer388 See Profile:
I believe all g cards are backwards compatible to the b network


The g spec calls for backwards compatiablility, but there are NICs out there that only work on a+g routers, but 99% of the are b+g.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8562913 Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:28:39 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8562870 homer388 : 804.11 b max is 11 Mbps
G is 54 Mbps

I believe all g cards are backwards compatible to the b network]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8562870 Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:20:02 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8562163 Warlords : What speed is the wireless cards running at? I already have a 54G router and 54G PCMCIA cards. Is the the wireless from the HN for the 11 meg or the 54 Meg cards? will our Existing 54G cards work fine?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8562163 Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:01:42 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8559407 brente : I jumped in and an VERY happy with the download speeds (getting 4mbps+), but the upload speeds have a lot to be desired...

the docsis info says the upload cap is 384kbps, but I'm only able to get around 270kbps max - it's at least above the previous 256kbps cap, so I have to assume its working...

any ideas (other than overhead on the test server, which may be the cause - although download is looking great...) as to why upload would not be at full capability? I tested with only 1 PC directly connected to the gateway to isolate, but otherwise have no clue.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8559407 Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:38:07 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8552981 bobpol :
said by J D McDorce See Profile:
On the other hand, if you want the higher caps, you need to play the game by Comcast's rules.

I played that game today!

2003-11-19 11:35:07 EST: 4033 / 371
Your download speed : 4033050 bps, or 4033 kbps.
A 492.3 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 371057 bps, or 371 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8552981 Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:36:26 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8552070 J D McDorce : On the other hand, if you want the higher caps, you need to play the game by Comcast's rules.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8552070 Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:49:17 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8552023 Nerdtalker :
said by jimi419 See Profile:
that would be fine but i have an A+ cert and can certainly install and hook this up myself so i wont be getting this
Same, the fact you have to use their hardware is a big turn-off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8552023 Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:44:55 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8551707 jimi419 : that would be fine but i have an A+ cert and can certainly install and hook this up myself so i wont be getting this ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8551707 Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:16:13 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8502930 qsg1049 :
said by blarrrgg:
Linksys made this kit specifically for Comcast, to the specs and to their likings with all of their own backdoor options.

Thanks. That makes sense. That's why the NAT'd IP address is fixed to 5, as I read in this forum too. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8502930 Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:05:52 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8502226 anon : At this current time Comcast only provides the Linksys kit. They have a boot file only for the Linksys kit. More that likely Comcast is not going to use one of the mainstream combos because then they can not control it as much as the Linksys can be controlled from their end. Linksys made this kit specifically for Comcast, to the specs and to their likings with all of their own backdoor options.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8502226 Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:27:30 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8502146 qsg1049 :
said by JeepMatt See Profile:
One final thing to mention-

I noticed that the Linksys Router / Modem gives out 1 hour leases to my desktop...

Strange...my previous router would give out 3 day leases.


I've heard that the Motorola surfboard is one of the popular cable modem equipment (eg. SB4200, SB5100) that comcast uses. For homenetworking, do they also use the SBG1000
»broadband.motorola.com/consumers···sbg1000/ as an alternative to the linksys router combo?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8502146 Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:15:36 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8501586 JeepMatt : One final thing to mention-

I noticed that the Linksys Router / Modem gives out 1 hour leases to my desktop...

Strange...my previous router would give out 3 day leases.
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2003-11-14 07:12:08 EST: 3890 / 371
Your download speed : 3890268 bps, or 3890 kbps.
A 474.8 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 371724 bps, or 371 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8501230 Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:13:50 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8484838 aldeo : Not a problem...I wouldn't want them running CAT5 all over the house. :) I have 4 machines within 6 feet of the router and it didn't make sense to make those machines wireless. I of course want my laptops to be wireless, so this should work out just fine.
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said by aldeo See Profile:
Cool! That is what I wanted to hear. She told me that there would be one wired connection and everything else would be wireless.


Actually, if a Comcast tech comes out, all will be wireless except for the computer that is within 6 feet of the modem. The Comcast techs are not going to run CAT5 all over the house, they will use the wireless NICs to hook up machines that are within 150 feet of the router, as long as they get signal, if they don't get signal they won't hook them up. Since you already know how to network you are all set.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8484767 Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:52:08 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8484715 aldeo : Cool! That is what I figured. She told me that there would be one wired connection and everything else would be wireless. She also said that the only way to add a machine was to have one of their techs come out and install one of Comcast's "special" NICs so the machine could connect to the network for a $50 charge. I do this stuff for a living and I want the speed, but it was going to be pretty hard to swallow a $50 charge for possibly adding a NIC and connecting a machine to a router.

I have an install appointment tomorrow afternoon. Once I have time to play with the service, I will post my findings.


]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8484715 Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:43:55 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8484397 Qumahlin :
said by TheChosenOne2 See Profile:
I was speaking to a manager who was out at my house recently about whether or not you could get the Home Networking speeds without using the router/modem combo that Comcast supplies. He basically said what JTRockville said that there was no technical reason why you shouldn't be able to get it without their router/modem combo... he tended to think that it was possible. If I ever feel the need to try and get 4 Mbps / 384 Kbps instead of 3.3 Mbps / 256 Kbps I'll give it a try and see what happens.


the technical reason is this. We only created config files for the BEFCMUH. Cabledata will not let a rep provision a modem that is not that with the HN config files since config files only exist for that specific modem.

Q:Can we make more cfgs?
A:Yes it takes 2 seconds...

Q:will comcast make them?
A.not likely.

Q:Can a smart rep provision your modem with the BEFCMUH's config file even if you don't have a BEFCMUH and they want to be extremely nice?
A:Yes, but not all modems will accept the file due to some proprietary TLV's in it
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Forum Posts:3504]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8484397 Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:56:53 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8484350 JeepMatt : Well, they DO have to come out the first time - how many you want them to "hook up" is up to you. I just did 2 - but, if I wanted to add additional ones now, I could do it on my own - it's not like it's locked down or anything like that.

It's more for folks that aren't sure what to do.. I think everyone on this board probably knows enough to hook up computers to a router. :-)
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For my configuration, I could simply put my ZyWall as a client to the Linky, reroute all ports from the linky to the ZyWall, and then do my normal redirections and firewalling on the ZyWall, leaving the other 4 Linky IP addys for any wireless stuff I might add (I might get a wireless card for my laptop).

Another question: sounds like you can use any wireless card, given JeepMatt's experience with his laptop's wireless card, does the card have to be 802.11b, or is a g backwards compatible?
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I doubt it - but ya know.. figured i'd start up some more conversation. :-)
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said by imrf See Profile:
said by brente:
Philly boy, on the Internet settings picture (second one) it shows the IP range as "192.168.0.10 through 192.168.0.14" - is this range changable? the count here is 5 address from the source router - this is probably how comcast is setting the 5 nodes by changing the back-end html config pages...


Nope. The IP range is set in the firmware of the modem and is not user changeable. 5 IPs is all that you will be able to get with that combo until you stack a second router on top of that one.


I was looking at this myself.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...wonder what would happen if another router took one of those IP's ;) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8482771 Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:56:23 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8482486 JeepMatt : Imrf-
Yep - the tech and myself set up the WEP encryption - then sync'd up the laptop - just as easy as with my previous router. It's all an option in 1 of the menus.

Vang-
You do have control of Port redirection- it is an option on one of the Config pages. Yes, there are 4 ports in the back of the router so you can have up to 4 wired connections.
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said by cabIeguy See Profile:

Comcast just wants to make money off people that don't know how to network themselves.


I agree with that.

said by cabIeguy See Profile:

Get your own router and figure it out yourself. If you can't follow the simple instructions that come with it, then get rid of your computers.


That's a pretty presumptuous statement. Just because you might not be able to figure out networking, or get the networking setup, doesn't mean you shouldn't be using a computer.
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I installed this for a customer once and less than a month later, she cancelled it because it stopped working. When she called tech support, no one knew anything about it and claimed it wasn't their product. She eventually talked to someone that told her to power cycle the unit, and since they didn't know about the on/off switch that is located right next to the power jack, she inadvertantly turned it off while doing so, then never figured out why it didn't turn back on. (she also managed to break the wireless PCMCIA card during the time she had it, which is leased along with the modem/router)

Comcast just wants to make money off people that don't know how to network themselves. Get your own router and figure it out yourself. If you can't follow the simple instructions that come with it, then get rid of your computers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8481878 Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:46:05 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8481696 youngmoore : this is OT but to fix your ATA issue/Vonage
Reserve the ATA IP, Bind it to WAN-1 or 2 and then DMZ it.

ym]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8481696 Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:08:54 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8481593 Morac : I don't really understand why Comcast limits the number of IPs to 5 (especially since they leave the netmask at 255.255.255.0). Having more or less wouldn't make any difference what-so-ever as far as Comcast is concerned. Even support wise it really doesn't make much sense since if one IP works they all should (barring interference or computer setup problems).

I'd think having someone through in a 2nd router to get more IPs would be more of a nightmare to support that having extra IPs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8481593 Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:51:33 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8481592 vang : JeepMat, what kind of firewall is in the router piece? Do you have control over any kind of port redirection? I'm curious if the router blocks or filters any incoming ports.

Lastly, is there a hub or a LAN ethernet port so you can connect to it wired?

I'd consider this to get some better speed (I was thinking about going partly wireless anyways), but not if the router is too crippled or doesn't allow me access.
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said by speeder2k See Profile:
is the router a, b, or g spec? If it's g, then I'd be interested in NH plan as well


802.11b only.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480893 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:28:56 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480889 imrf : When the installer hooked it up did he enable WEP and disable SSID Broadcasting? Is that an option in the "Wireless" section?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480889 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:28:29 EDT Re: 2 Screen Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480870 imrf :
said by brente:
Philly boy, on the Internet settings picture (second one) it shows the IP range as "192.168.0.10 through 192.168.0.14" - is this range changable? the count here is 5 address from the source router - this is probably how comcast is setting the 5 nodes by changing the back-end html config pages...


Nope. The IP range is set in the firmware of the modem and is not user changeable. 5 IPs is all that you will be able to get with that combo until you stack a second router on top of that one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480870 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:27:02 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480710 alalper :
said by oliphant5 See Profile:
I had the same problem of dropping VoIP with Vonage and my Nexland dual WAN setup. What they did for me was change the polling interval from something like 40 minutes to 5, so if I had an autofailover event, in 5 minutes the ATA would reconnect and receive calls.

Oh and yeah...I did probably 5 or 6 edits adding stuff. As I would reread it...it wouldn't make sense...not like it does not or anything ;)


Now that you mention autofailover. . . . I did have a lot less trouble with Vonage when the Hawking was set for that but, I wanted to get more value for my money and set the router for load balancing. . . . trouble . . . . change settings . . . . . trouble appeared to clear up for a day or 2. . . trouble again. . . . etc., etc., etc. . . . .

I finally (last night) separated the DSL and cable. Put Vonage on the DSL and use cable for internet access. So far, so good. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480710 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:10:53 EDT Re: 2 Screen Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480693 anon : Philly boy, on the Internet settings picture (second one) it shows the IP range as "192.168.0.10 through 192.168.0.14" - is this range changable? the count here is 5 address from the source router - this is probably how comcast is setting the 5 nodes by changing the back-end html config pages...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480693 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:09:10 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480222 speeder2k : is the router a, b, or g spec? If it's g, then I'd be interested in NH plan as well]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8480222 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:24:06 EDT Re: dns server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479959 JeepMatt : Still chuggin' in prime time too! :-)

2003-11-11 21:57:05 EST: 3847 / 348
Your download speed : 3847990 bps, or 3847 kbps.
A 469.7 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 348169 bps, or 348 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479883 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:50:31 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479880 oliphant5 : I had the same problem of dropping VoIP with Vonage and my Nexland dual WAN setup. What they did for me was change the polling interval from something like 40 minutes to 5, so if I had an autofailover event, in 5 minutes the ATA would reconnect and receive calls.

Oh and yeah...I did probably 5 or 6 edits adding stuff. As I would reread it...it wouldn't make sense...not like it does not or anything ;)
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Sooooooooo what's the config page look like?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479752 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:38:16 EDT Re: And now, for JT's pleasure... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479619 J D McDorce : It almost looks like a router with a bun in the oven. ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479619 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:24:05 EDT And now, for JT's pleasure... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479504 JeepMatt : Here's a pic of the new router / modem...
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said by oliphant5 See Profile:

Because routers just "appear" as computers there is no problem with NAT...just an addition ms of latency...maybe. And unless I just had a complete brain fart the above example setup should work.


Thank you kindly for the explanation (your 2nd or 3rd edit, I think). :) (I started to reply a couple of times and, each time I did, your reply had more in it.) :)

I think I see why I had the problem and, it looks like your suggestion should work.

I did have a need to do it but, I'm not sure the need still exists any more. I was using a Hawking FR24 Dual WAN router to use both my DSL and cable connections together and needed to hook up a wireless router to it.

The dual broadband worked just fine for everything but my 3 VOIP phones which would drop the connection or start breaking up every time it tried to switch between cable and DSL. I ended up putting the VOIP stuff directly on the DSL (higher UL speed) using 1 router and the rest of the network on the cable connection using the 4 port wireless router.

I may try the setup with the Hawking again if I can find a way of limiting the VOIP to 1 single WAN connection.

Thanks again for a GREAT explanation. :):):)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479152 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:43:14 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479013 crowdx : Well mine gave me the buy option and then I filled in the details and they said my order was successful and said a rep would call me,, I called them later thinking that it might speed up things, rather than waiting for them.
Patrick]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8479013 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:31:18 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478966 oliphant5 : Mine looked like it too...except as it says, Plans available in my area, Info Buy...I click info and in the Marketing Comments it says
said by Marketing Comments:
Comcast Home Networking will be coming soon to your area. Please select "Buy" and enter your contact information (preferences). Comcast will contact you when it Comcast Home Networking is available in your area.

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Patrick]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478932 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:23:53 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478930 oliphant5 : I don't know where Concord is in Cali but according to the "leaked" speed increase rollout dates, the Sacramento area is 12/1, Frisco area 12/16 and SoCal 1/13 (of course I'm near the bottom).
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So seems my area sucks for the moment :-(
Patrick]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478910 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:21:34 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478767 oliphant5 : It works fine for me. I have 2 routers on my home network a Zywall 2X and a Linksys 54g. My Zywall issues IPs via static DHCP (static meaning it assign specific IPs to particular MACIDs) then the linksys picks up its IP from the Zywall and acts as DHCP server to the computers (in my case a laptop and lan party rig) attached to it.

At my office it's much the same thing, a netgear RT311 running as a DHCP client to Verizon and also as a DHCP server to my Sonicwall SOHO3. Then the Sonicwall SOHO3 acts as a static IP DHCP server (again, handing out particular IPs to specific MACIDs so the clients IPs are always the same).

It just works. The main thing you want to remember, is quite a few routers use the same IP addresses or their DHCP range (range of IPs handed out by the DHCP server) can overlap. Meaning if one router is 192.168.0.1 with a range of 192.168.0.2-192.168.0.25 for example, the other router needs to be something different like 192.168.1.1 with a DHCP client range of 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.25. If course you would only need the ranges to be as big as you need them.

In your case to make it simple, you would have the first router a DHCP client (obtain IP automatically) from your ISP, then that same router acts as DHCP server for the next router which would be set up to obtain an IP automatically (DHCP client) and then that 2nd router acts as DHCP server for the rest of the network.

So it could look something like this

ISP IP assigned to router A WAN 64.12.4.6 (the IP of your router as seen from the Internet)
IP of router A as seen by your network (set by you) 192.168.0.1
DHCP client range of IPs handed out by router a 192.168.0.2-192.168.0.10 (note that these IPs won't pass through router B and get picked up by any computers on the other side)
IP assigned to router B by router A (the first IP of the range 192.168.0.2)
The IP address of router B as seen by the network (set by you) 192.168.1.1
DHCP client range of IPs handed out by router b 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.10
Your network computers would then be assigned IPs in the range of 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.10 and to reach the config screens of router A you put in 192.168.0.1 and to reach the config screens of router B 192.168.1.1.

So if you were to run a trace route from one of your computers, eg 192.168.1.2
It would go through
192.168.1.1
192.168.0.1
Before going out to the internet

Because routers just "appear" as computers there is no problem with NAT...just an addition ms of latency...maybe. And unless I just had a complete brain fart the above example setup should work.
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said by oliphant5 See Profile:
Just add another (or keep your old) router behind the HN router.



Please explain how to make that work with 2 different routers assigning NAT addresses.

I have tried it here (for a different reason) and it would not work. I had to disable the router part of the 2nd router and use it strictly as an access point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478706 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:01:10 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478691 JeepMatt : Oli-
No, we don't have TS here yet - but I use the DU Controller that was talked about it another post.

Yeah, the internal pages are cool - can't see cap info - but there are screens for signal strength, etc.. that I didn't show here.

Crowdx-
Yeah, I already had service - called on Wednesday, got my appointment for today, but that was only because of my schedule. Could have had it hooked up last Friday.
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Patrick]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478649 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:56:54 EDT Re: 2 Screen Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478648 oliphant5 : That's actually really cool. Any diag screens to see your caps like some modems do (and DOCSDIAG)?

After seeing all this, I'll think I'll pony up the $15 for HN.

Also, I saw your speed test earlier, around 3.8Mb...are you in an area with traffic shapping. When I had CCPro I would post in the mid 4Mb range with 3.8 caps because of bursting. I'm wondering if you don't have traffic shaping if you aren't reaching your caps because of other 3Mb traffic or if they've actually set the cap at 4Mb instead of allowing for TCP overhead like they do on the lower plans.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478648 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:56:52 EDT 2 Screen Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478526 JeepMatt : Here are two screen shots for you from the Networking Internal screen..

There are areas for you to set up DMZ / VPN access, Port Forwarding, etc.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478526 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:47:06 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478269 crowdx : So for me it would cost me an extra $12 to get a 4mbps download and also get use of a wireless router, was thinking of getting a wireless router, would be nice to have a legit one from Comcast rather than the present hardwire router.
Is VERY tempting, I currently have 1,7 down in California Bay area, wondering when the new speeds get here,, this might just be a better option, faster upload also,, pretty much blows Pro out of the water
Patrick]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8478269 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:20:17 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8477863 oliphant5 : Just add another (or keep your old) router behind the HN router.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8477863 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:33:46 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8477837 alalper : But, you are limited to 5 NAT addresses. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8477837 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:31:44 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8477739 imrf :
said by cairey See Profile:
#3 accept 1 Ip address.


You already accept this if you have your router plugged directly into the modem. All the IP addresses your computers have are assigned by the router, not Comcast. With the HN setup from Comcast you still get the same standard 1 public/routable IP address and a max a 5 private/non-routable IP addresses behind the router. But as it stands, the only way to get the package is to use their modem/router combo there is no way around this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8477739 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:21:38 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8477083 cairey : I have spent about $500 on a new modem, router, 802.11a WAP, pcmcia, and desktop card. There is no way I would pay to #1 be charged for something I can do in 30 seconds, #2 be forced to use THEIR equipment, and #3 accept 1 Ip address. I basically have the same setup for A LOT less. The only difference is the speed. The deal itself seems interesting if there was no setup and you could use your own stuff. It will be interesting to see how many people choose to switch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8477083 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:10:15 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8476957 danno86 : Hmmm, does anyone know if there is a way to put up a DMZ using Comcast's equipment? Because couldn't you DMZ the port that you have your own equipment plugged into? And then, forward the ports you want using your equipment? I'm probably way off here...but it was just a thought.

-danno]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8476957 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:58:47 EDT Watch out for 633MHz downstream! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8476373 Kylemaul : As an x-Comcast tech, I would like to share an issue that affected several customers in the Seattle area.

In certain areas, the cable modem will acquire a downstream frequency lock of 633MHz. When people put these cable modems too close to any 2.4GHz wireless equipment, it has a negative affect on the cable modem. This problem becomes very obvious when running ping tests. Pings will be sporadic (from much higher to timeouts) if the modem is getting iterference from the 2.4GHz equipment.

I find it very interesting that Comcast has chosen the wireless setup for this very reason. Perhaps their newer modems have better shielding to prevent this from becoming an issue.
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On Comcast, I eventually had:
Surfboard 4100 (rented)
to
Cisco 1605-R (used for traffic shaping, has only 1 port)
to
US Robotics 8000 (NAT with 4 ports, a com port for a dialup modem, and a printer port)

But then I ditched the Surfboard+CHSI and replaced it with a WIC+T1.

I'm guessing you could have the same sort of configuration with Comcast's modem/router combo, but I have no idea which features of their router Comcast allows you to configure. Hopefully JeepMatt See Profile will shed some light tonight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475685 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:51:53 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475590 imrf :
said by JeepMatt See Profile:
How much you think he'll get for it?


Should be $0. They are being closely monitored. If they were to install one in your house, they have to write down the serial number of the NIC on your work order, then dispatch will add it to your account later on. That way they know how many NICs to charge the customer when/if they cancel the service and do not return the cards. This only applies to the new wireless NICs(PCMCIA or USB) not the regular wired PCI, ISA, or USB NICs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475590 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:41:27 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475514 JeepMatt : Nice one Rody-
Nahhh.. I didn't need a wireless card. One's already built into my laptop..

How much you think he'll get for it?
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-danno]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475513 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:32:22 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475449 rody_40 : so did you get your wireless card or does the tech get to sell it at the local 7-11 ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475449 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:23:57 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475248 AthlGrond :
said by JeepMatt See Profile:
Morac-
Well, you get one "IP" (i.e. 68.x.x.x) - but you can have 5 connections off of the router.
Is that 5 places to hook something up, or they only allow 5?

If they only allow 5, could you hook another router to the modem/router and hook up more if you wanted? (I realize that you probably don't know the answer to that unless you tried it already.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475248 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:56:45 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8475110 JeepMatt : Morac-
Well, you get one "IP" (i.e. 68.x.x.x) - but you can have 5 connections off of the router.
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said by GoingAnon:
ArmaliteAR10 - don't count on being able to get this if you are really in joliet.
Chicagoland can't get pro so I doubt you can get the same speeds with HN

Yea I know. :( I was just curious.
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It might be worth it to give my PS2 its own IP if they give you more than one..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8474983 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:26:48 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8474952 TheChosenOne2 : I was speaking to a manager who was out at my house recently about whether or not you could get the Home Networking speeds without using the router/modem combo that Comcast supplies. He basically said what JTRockville said that there was no technical reason why you shouldn't be able to get it without their router/modem combo... he tended to think that it was possible. If I ever feel the need to try and get 4 Mbps / 384 Kbps instead of 3.3 Mbps / 256 Kbps I'll give it a try and see what happens.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8474952 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:24:06 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8474940 anon : ArmaliteAR10 - don't count on being able to get this if you are really in joliet.
Chicagoland can't get pro so I doubt you can get the same speeds with HN]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8474940 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:22:43 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8474915 JeepMatt : Oli-
My area hasn't been upgraded to 3000 yet - so to answer your question - YES! :-)

No software what so ever was installed - just your typical 192.168.x.x to get to the internal page.
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Thanks.
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But yeah, you can't get around that.

At least the tech was cool...lol..
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And $58 total/mo isn't bad. For some reason I had in my head that it was $58 plus the rental fee. That's basically just the $10 home networking charge they used to have plus $5 equipment rental and you get the better caps...and if you rent already, that's only $2 more.
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It's $52.95/mo plus $5/mo for rental = $57.95 / mo

First 3 months are $40.95 (save $12 a month)

Install was $99 instead of $199 (save $100)

Yes, it was a upfront charge and all - but I feel it's justified.
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Yes - it actually has a very nice internal status page where you can do all of that.
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I'll get a pic this evening..

Stay tuned.. :-)
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said by JeepMatt See Profile:
Tech just left from setting up the new Home Networking Option.

To answer your questions, YES - you do need to rent their equipment - it's the only way to download the correct config file.

It's a cool Linksys Wireless Router / Cable Modem - i'll take a pic of it when i get home from work tonight (i'm already late!)

Here's my first speed test - not bad for 4.0 down 384 up!

2003-11-11 09:20:52 EST: 3847 / 360
Your download speed : 3847990 bps, or 3847 kbps.
A 469.7 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 360230 bps, or 360 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!

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said by JeepMatt See Profile:
I've owned my own Surfboard for 2 years - and I have / had no problem giving up and renting from Comcast. I'm not sure why some people are SO against it.

Besides - I was paying $95/mo for Pro, now i'm paying $57.95/mo for Home Networking.


There's the difference. I have not been paying for Pro, only the standard package (I felt/feel that Pro was too high priced).

Since you were able to cut costs by going to HN, it certainly made sense to do so. I would be paying more to upgrade to HN. I'm willing to pay more but, I am totally unwilling to be forced to buy/rent equipment that I don't need and I certainly don't want them monkeying with my existing network setup.

Enjoy your savings. :)

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473575 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:21:13 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473494 drake :
said by JTRockville See Profile:
Is your aunt getting HN speed, or upgraded silver speed?

She is getting good speed with the normal Comcast Package, I don't think her area has been upgraded to 3Mbps/256kbps yet I have to check.
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Lots of people have their own modem and/or router (when I subscribed, I had a rented modem with two routers daisy-chained), but I don't know anyone who has their own network with Comcast's HN subscription.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473483 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:07:35 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473481 drake :
said by JeepMatt See Profile:
I've owned my own Surfboard for 2 years - and I have / had no problem giving up and renting from Comcast. I'm not sure why some people are SO against it.

Besides - I was paying $95/mo for Pro, now i'm paying $57.95/mo for Home Networking.

Oh I'm not against it I just wanted to know why are people going with their Networking option, but now I see it's cheaper for you, so I guess thats a good reason ;-)
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Besides - I was paying $95/mo for Pro, now i'm paying $57.95/mo for Home Networking.

PLUS - 1st 3 months are discounted to $40.95! That was a nice surprise this morning!

Thanks to Scott the tech for an awesome job this morning! The system was being stubborn and wouldn't sync with the new modem - but he stuck it out - got my account rebuilt, and BAMM!

PS - JT, I started a NEW job a month ago - not up the ladder enough yet to telecommute :-)
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said by JTRockville See Profile:
But then you'd be able to use your own router. I think that's what Comcast objects to. They'll only support their router, which seems reasonable. But for some reason, they'll only push the HN config file to the router/modem combo you get from them. (at least I'm pretty sure that's the HN deal works)

My Aunt in Jersey has comcast with her own router and a modem Comcast sent them and she's getting good speeds.
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Well, maybe if they don't get a large enough turnout for HN, they'll start letting people use their own equipment. I would guess that most of the people willing to pay the additional bucks for HN aren't the type who will need Comcast support beyond making sure that the signal reaches the modem. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473378 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:49:30 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473331 JTRockville : But then you'd be able to use your own router. I think that's what Comcast objects to. They'll only support their router, which seems reasonable. But for some reason, they'll only push the HN config file to the router/modem combo you get from them. (at least I'm pretty sure that's the HN deal works)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473331 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:41:32 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473315 drake :
said by JTRockville See Profile:
As far as I know, there isn't any technical reason why they couldn't, but Comcast won't push the HN config file to your equipment.

Yeah I know Im talking about the cable modem they loan you, they should be able to do it....since it's theirs..
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said by JTRockville See Profile:
With your own equipment, you lose the big phat pipe.

Wouldn't the cable modem be able to get the config file easy like that?
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Why not telecommute today, JeepMatt See Profile?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473248 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:26:35 EDT Re: Home Networking is ON! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8473237 drake : Damn comcast really wants their customers to use their equipment, Isn't it just better to get a router and modem and bam instead of going with their home networking option?
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To answer your questions, YES - you do need to rent their equipment - it's the only way to download the correct config file.

It's a cool Linksys Wireless Router / Cable Modem - i'll take a pic of it when i get home from work tonight (i'm already late!)

Here's my first speed test - not bad for 4.0 down 384 up!

2003-11-11 09:20:52 EST: 3847 / 360
Your download speed : 3847990 bps, or 3847 kbps.
A 469.7 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 360230 bps, or 360 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!
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