 NazcarPosting tagPremium
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Topeka, KS | Incredimail = spyware? Why was the new hosts file blocking www.incredimail.com? Am I missing something? |
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 Chief Sparky52 Still On PatrolPremium
join:2001-04-25
Thibodaux, LA | Not sure, either. I've used it for quite some time. It does phone home to check for updates, but that can be disabled/blocked very easily.
Anyone have an answer as to why it's in the new HOSTS?
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 hpguruCurb Your DogmaPremium
join:2002-04-12 | reply to Nazcar
Are the images and other content used in stationary created by Incredimail embedded directly into the email bodies or are they linked to files served from Incredimails servers in the manner of email web bugs? I have been told they are linked like web bugs but I may have been misinformed.
Would you mind sending me an email with stationary formatted in Incredimail so I can examine it for myself? Please send it to hpguru@hotmail.com with "INCREDIMAIL FORMATTED MESSAGE" in the subject line. If there are no web bugs or nosey scripts in the message then I will remove the entries provided nobody else posts information suggesting they should remain.
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Chief Sparky52 Still On PatrolPremium
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Thibodaux, LA | Sent you one to hpguru@hotmail.com |
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Incredimail is spyware: »Incredimail -- spyware or just adware?
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 Mats Here kitty and the chimp. SmashPremium
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kudos:1 | Ctrl Alt Del, incredimail is not spyware. where in that link does it prove that it is? why do you think its spyware? Adaware and Spybot do not flag anything that has to do with Incredimail. why not?
read their privacy agreement
»www.incredimail.com/english/privacy.html
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hpguruCurb Your DogmaPremium
join:2002-04-12 | reply to Chief Sparky
Thanks Retch and Ctrl Alt Del.
Retch, while the email you sent me contained no web bugs the info Ctrl Alt Del posted means the entries will remain in the hosts file. As I have mentioned elsewhere, I have a hard and fast rule with regard to spyware sites and that is that any of their sites that I become aware of shall remain in the hosts file until the company is defunct or the blocked server is decommissioned. Even then they go into my dead hosts list which I check periodically.
Although I personally do not approve of html formatted email there are much better email clients available which support fancy stationary. If you'll take the time to search the forums here you will find references to good email clients, some of which are (really) free.
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said by Mats:
Ctrl Alt Del, incredimail is not spyware. where in that link does it prove that it is? why do you think its spyware? Adaware and Spybot do not flag anything that has to do with Incredimail. why not?
read their privacy agreement
»www.incredimail.com/english/privacy.html
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Read up:
»Warning to Incedimail Users! Privacy-Not!
»IncrediMail Software?
»www.langa.com/newsletters/2002/2···10.htm#6
»www.langa.com/newsletters/2002/2···10.htm#7
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Chief Sparky52 Still On PatrolPremium
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As referenced in the other thread, the *free* version IS adware. The paid version is not.
No worries, I just edited out the entry in the HOSTS file.
And yes, I am aware of some of the other email clients, but I, like everyone else, made my personal choice based on reasons that are my own. While I disagree that it should be in HOSTS based on a *free* version having adware, that's your choice. As I said, it's a simple edit.
Thanks for taking the time to look it over, though. Appreciate it. Also, a more accurate block would be »www.incredibarvuz1.com/ (this is the site I block in my firewall, btw). This is the site that Incredimail phones home to.
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[text was edited by author 2003-10-05 16:23:50]
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Mats Here kitty and the chimp. SmashPremium
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kudos:1 | reply to Ctrl Alt Del
how does posting links from users that dont like HTML email clients prove that it is spyware? who cares if these people dont like HTML. i certainly dont.
i guess the free version of opera is spyware as well because it displays ads? incrediamil(free version) is adware yes, but there is a big difference from adware and spyware.
when Spybot and Adaware start to flag it, then it would be considered spyware. send them both a email about incredimail with these links that you like to post and see what response you get.
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Chief Sparky52 Still On PatrolPremium
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| Actually, in the EULA, it does state that it collects anonymous user data (times used, what element of the program used most often, message size). However, as I stated above, the reporting is easily blocked by a firewall rule (I block it on the hardware side, so that other users on my network don't have to go to the trouble of configuring NPF). I do agree with you in that once AdAware & Spywareblaster start flagging it, I'll continue to use it. Blocking ads and program reporting is such a trivial exercise that all users should be looking at their systems and doing this as a matter of course, not in reaction to a perceived problem. The very first time I saw it phone home, I blocked it. Easy money. I think the HOSTS file would be more accurate if it only blocked the reporting site, though.
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NazcarPosting tagPremium
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Topeka, KS | reply to Nazcar
Well , I have made my purchase, I hope all is well with it. |
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Chief Sparky52 Still On PatrolPremium
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Thibodaux, LA | An edit to my above: The HOSTS would be more accurate if it only blocked the reporting site and the ad servers for the free version. 
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said by Mats:
how does posting links from users that dont like HTML email clients prove that it is spyware? who cares if these people dont like HTML. i certainly dont.
i guess the free version of opera is spyware as well because it displays ads? incrediamil(free version) is adware yes, but there is a big difference from adware and spyware.
when Spybot and Adaware start to flag it, then it would be considered spyware. send them both a email about incredimail with these links that you like to post and see what response you get.
You obviously didn't read any of them.
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doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY | reply to Nazcar
Incredimail just plain IncrediBAD Will cause unexplained hangs on many OP/sys's.
I for one had the misfortune to diagnose and
remove it. Do a google search yourself. Very bad
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Mats Here kitty and the chimp. SmashPremium
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kudos:1 | reply to Ctrl Alt Del
Re: Incredimail = spyware? said by Ctrl Alt Del:
You obviously didn't read any of them.
you are wrong i did. your opinion and those others who dont like incredimail mean nothing to me without proof, which you cant supply.
like i said, when Spybot and Adaware flag it, i will believe it.
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you are wrong i did. your opinion and those others who dont like incredimail mean nothing to me without proof, which you cant supply.
like i said, when Spybot and Adaware flag it, i will believe it.
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If you want to use the program, that's fine by me. I don't care what your e-mail client of choice is. Hell, I use Microsoft Outlook and use HTML formatted e-mails, I think plain text sucks. But IncrediMail adds lots of extraneous junk to the headers of e-mails and does collect information and phone home. I have provided proof of this, and if you want to discredit it, I don't care. But I will never use the program.
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 antiseriousThe Future ain't what it used to bePremium
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Scranton, PA | said by Ctrl Alt Del:
But I will never use the program.
... that is your right, or course - and MY right is, based on this thread, to NOT use hpguru's Host file ... I'm undecided on the status of Incredimail, but I have friends that use it, and if I were unable to receive email from them because the Host file blocked them, I would be VERY upset ... I have ways to protect myself from html email, I don't need a Host file for that ... I didn't use hpguru's list before, and I will continue not to use it, and not to recommend it ... not that anyone cares, but as you said, that is MY right ...
... f w i w ...
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Mats Here kitty and the chimp. SmashPremium
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kudos:1 | reply to Ctrl Alt Del
said by Ctrl Alt Del:
I have provided proof of this, and if you want to discredit it, I don't care. But I will never use the program.
you have provided proof?? LOL where?? provide your "proof" to Spybot and Adaware and see what they say.
btw i dont use Incredimail and i certainly never have tried to get you to use it.
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NazcarPosting tagPremium
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Topeka, KS | reply to antiserious
said by antiserious:
if I were unable to receive email from them because the Host file blocked them, I would be VERY upset ...
Wait a minute, this wasnt about sending and receiving emails via incredimail, just the website itself, I was able to send and receive emails via this program, it was just the main site I was unable to get to. I still use the host file and will countinue to, I just simply removed the incredimail sites in it |
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