Re: Again... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r8071962 en Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:24:06 EDT Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:24:06 EDT really? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8125125 anon : Please provide us with a link to scientifically sound research that prove your statements.
I'm very curious to see those alledged 'studies'.

And, btw, no1 is suggesting people should get away with crimes (if that is the case, here), but in most countries you have a difference between real criminal investigations and things such breach of contract (which apparently wasn't the case here neither, according to the court). I'm not familiar with the english terminology for it, but I'm sure you are aware of what I mean.

And one should also be very wary to the extend one rubberstamps 'illegal' on anything regarding the internet, since, after all, it's a new medium (if it weren't, there wouldn't have to be all those new laws to govern it). For instance, I tune my computer to get optimal datatransfer... maybe one could claim I'm doing this illegal too?

I think, for any reasonable dude, it's clear it's a strong case of over-reacting, here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8125125 Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:55:40 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8098406 spaijkull : oops

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8098406 Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:41:36 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076547 bassman442 : Really man.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076547 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:21:25 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076214 oliphant5 : Holy crap...someone who actually gets it!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076214 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:39:32 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076211 joebear29 :
said by KrK See Profile:

So, you could argue that is was WRONG but the argument that it was a CRIME (Especially involving the Feds!) was incredibly thin (and guess what, the Court agreed!)


That is pretty much my position, summed up nicely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076211 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:39:21 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076187 KrK :
said by chrisf8657 See Profile:
Excuse me, but it is a CRIME, no matter how insignificant you think it is.
Hear that sound? It was the Clue train passing you by.

The whole point of the debate and as was repeatedly pointed out is that modem uncapping was *NOT* a crime, there was no law against it, it was *NOT* theft of service, and as was repeatedly discussed, at best it was a violation of TOS, however, in this case, Buckeye Cable had not specified service rates/modem configurations in their TOS, so it wasn't even THAT.

So, you could argue that is was WRONG but the argument that it was a CRIME (Especially involving the Feds!) was incredibly thin (and guess what, the Court agreed!)
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This is more like watching the same PPV movie twice...but even then HSI isn't video and isn't regulated as such.

This is a simple tort...breach of contract. Violating the TOS/AUP by changing the modem.

That's it. There is no crime here.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076032 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:17:40 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076005 broknsymetry :
Note the use of SARCASM in my post!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8076005 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:14:15 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8075901 TheChosenOne2 :
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Yes and after smoking just one joint you will wind up on the street as a heroine junkie!

Yeah right, you must be one of the people that thought prohobition was a great idea too, huh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8075901 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:02:00 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8074489 oliphant5 : Please post a link to the study for all to see.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8074489 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:58:30 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8074272 Stewy85 : I agree.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8074272 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:29:48 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8072779 broknsymetry :
said by chrisf8657 See Profile:
Excuse me, but it is a CRIME, no matter how insignificant you think it is. Studies have proven someone who gets away with smaller things (in this case, cable bandwidth) will usually move on to stealing other things, even larger things...like your car.
Yes and after smoking just one joint you will wind up on the street as a heroine junkie!

Thing is you can't prosecute someone for future crimes that he may commit. Except in the movies.
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said by chrisf8657 See Profile:
Studies have proven someone who gets away with smaller things (in this case, cable bandwidth) will usually move on to stealing other things, even larger things...like your car.
Do you honestly believe all that crap that you just typed?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8072665 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:07:59 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8072572 Shamayim :
said by chrisf8657 See Profile:

Excuse me, but it is a CRIME, no matter how insignificant you think it is.

Then pursue and punish said crime appropriately and not all out of proportion.
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said by oliphant5 See Profile:
said by joebear29 See Profile:
said by ArchAngel21x See Profile:
You hit the nail on its head.


I missed that nail. Does that mean it's ok for me to commit crimes/torts because O.J. killed someone and was found not guilty?


No it means why are we dedicating state resources to chase down a half dozen people who changed a few lines in their config files when D.A. and Federal resources are so taxed, outdated, under staffed, incompetent that a murder they had "dead to rights" got off. And nothing has changed for the better over the last 10 years to stop that...in fact it has only gotten worse.

It seems to be that these Federal and state departments who are crying about money, crying about manpower, crying about everything seem to manage to have the time to waste their limited resources on what for all intents and purposes is a friggin civil tort. The "authorities" shouldn't be in this AT ALL.
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:(

Excuse me, but it is a CRIME, no matter how insignificant you think it is. Studies have proven someone who gets away with smaller things (in this case, cable bandwidth) will usually move on to stealing other things, even larger things...like your car.

These people STOLE bandwidth - which costs MONEY. If you were the one being stolen from I guarantee you would want to apprehend the people responsible too. So put yourself in that position and THINK...:(
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said by ArchAngel21x See Profile:
said by oliphant:

Yeah...these guys uncapped their modem...meanwhile O.J. killed everybody ;) Gotta love these priorities.


You hit the nail on its head.


If I have said it once I have said it a thousand times....In todays America, a misdemeanor against a corporation is worse than a violent felony against an individual.
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said by joebear29 See Profile:
said by ArchAngel21x See Profile:
You hit the nail on its head.


I missed that nail. Does that mean it's ok for me to commit crimes/torts because O.J. killed someone and was found not guilty?


No it means why are we dedicating state resources to chase down a half dozen people who changed a few lines in their config files when D.A. and Federal resources are so taxed, outdated, under staffed, incompetent that a murder they had "dead to rights" got off. And nothing has changed for the better over the last 10 years to stop that...in fact it has only gotten worse.

It seems to be that these Federal and state departments who are crying about money, crying about manpower, crying about everything seem to manage to have the time to waste their limited resources on what for all intents and purposes is a friggin civil tort. The "authorities" shouldn't be in this AT ALL.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8071962 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:37:37 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8071724 Shamayim : The body of his post was his point: properly classifying an offense, and prioritizing limited Federal crime fighter resources. The OJ remark that you chose to focus on was an insignificant aside.
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said by Shamayim See Profile:
said by joebear29 See Profile:
Does that mean it's ok for me to commit crimes/torts because O.J. killed someone and was found not guilty?

I think you missed his point. Let the punishment fit the crime, and let the crime be properly classified first.


Ah, that makes more sense.

What does that have to do with O.J.?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8071568 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:48:02 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8071509 Shamayim :
said by joebear29 See Profile:
Does that mean it's ok for me to commit crimes/torts because O.J. killed someone and was found not guilty?

I think you missed his point. Let the punishment fit the crime, and let the crime be properly classified first.
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said by ArchAngel21x See Profile:
You hit the nail on its head.


I missed that nail. Does that mean it's ok for me to commit crimes/torts because O.J. killed someone and was found not guilty?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8071435 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:32:12 EDT Re: Again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8071382 ArchAngel21x :
said by oliphant:

Yeah...these guys uncapped their modem...meanwhile O.J. killed everybody ;) Gotta love these priorities.


You hit the nail on its head.
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These cable companies want to have the Federal "Theft of Service" protection, but don't want their HSI regulated as their video services are.

I say, if they want the Federal ToS protections, then they should submit to the other regulations that come with it.

Yeah...these guys uncapped their modem...meanwhile O.J. killed everybody ;) Gotta love these priorities.

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